Reproductive Rights and State Benefits (fwd)
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:13:09 -0700 From: Tim May <tcmay@got.net> Subject: Reproductive Rights and State Benefits
There's a landmine here, of course. Namely, the issue of whether states may impose restrictions which are "unconstitutional." To some states rights folks, as I assume Jim Choate may be, the answer is often "of course." To some libertarians, the answer is often "of course not." A good example to consider is "free speech." The First Amendment talks about Congress shall make no law...does this mean California may ban certain books, restrict certain religions, or impose censorship on the press?
If permitted by the California Constituion absolutely. It's called freedom of expression, a weird sort of extension to the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness. If the citizens don't like it they can elect another representative to change the law next time around. The right to liberty implies the right to give it away. For a democracy to work the group of people making the laws must be relatively small, otherwise we see the sorts of abuses we currently have because we have lost respect for others (ie another state) to decide their fate indipendant of our own. I am not an advocate of federal or state rights, and most definitely NOT any sort of Libertarian. I am a strict Constitutionalist and believe that if the federal government wants to take on a new job not explicity assigned in the Constitition they MUST pass an amendment per the method detailed in the Constitution. Prior to the 14th (which only forces privileges and immunities, and I utterly reject any claim that a right is a privilege) this was exactly the case. The founding fathers wanted to see a multiplicity of states with a variety of laws some limited some actions and others not. The idea behind this is that if a state passes laws that are too restrictive it is possible to reverse the insult in a reasonable time and if it proves impossible to change it (say because of massive public support) then they can move to a state where such activity is allowed, thus robbing the state of the taxes and other benefits it derives from such residents. The idea is that if the states are given a level of equality with the federal government there will be a moderating effect on tryanny at all levels.
(Most folks would say "Of course not." But on what basis can individual states and municipalities override the Second Amendment?)
Read the 10th. The 2nd. does NOT limit a states right to regulate such activity. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Participation requires more than just bitching! | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage@ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199708240101.UAA27366@einstein.ssz.com>, on 08/23/97 at 08:01 PM, Jim Choate <ravage@ssz.com> said:
There's a landmine here, of course. Namely, the issue of whether states may impose restrictions which are "unconstitutional." To some states rights folks, as I assume Jim Choate may be, the answer is often "of course." To some libertarians, the answer is often "of course not." A good example to consider is "free speech." The First Amendment talks about Congress shall make no law...does this mean California may ban certain books, restrict certain religions, or impose censorship on the press?
If permitted by the California Constituion absolutely. It's called freedom of expression, a weird sort of extension to the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness. If the citizens don't like it they can elect another representative to change the law next time around. The right to liberty implies the right to give it away.
Well yes and no. Just because you are willing to give you liberty away does not mean that you have the right to give my liberty away. That's why the Bill of Rights pre-empts any legislation done by Congress or the States. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM/9/mI9Co1n+aLhhAQFIhQP/T1a9ELUBr6E6QiDjQ0t7iQ15cJ9wo72D PXK3cjEftjNZad+Wp0yGHsMRK5rQfCCFg5DGc99r22b4kV/Sa/55bZKCvnTfL/sm CQ6ZM+G+6AqP8li2hGAZmoEP+/GGWigK0/HD1LilWszca5hCOOWCIuBvvknHMG9U EFhZPkHjvpk= =4uDq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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