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Declan McCullagh

17 Dec 2003 17 Dec '03

11:17 p.m.

Clinton said this morning:

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I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time -- never. These allegations are false. <<<<

The question then becomes, of course, what does "sexual relations" mean? Is it oral sex? -Declan

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Roger J Jones

17 Dec 17 Dec

11:17 p.m.

Did not Clinton say publicly that he did not consider oral sex "sexual relations" in some statement recently? [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@cyberpass.net]On Behalf Of Declan McCullagh Clinton said this morning:

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I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time -- never. These allegations are false. <<<<

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The question then becomes, of course, what does "sexual relations" mean?

Is it oral sex? -Declan <<<<<

Declan McCullagh

11:17 p.m.

Not as far as I'm aware. Tho Gennifer Flowers said years ago that Clinton distinguishes between the two. You may be thinking of his "there is no sexual relationship" quip last Wed, which was duly dissected and analyzed; journalists remembered his artful dodge on the pot-smoking affair. I think we note in our (rather extensive) cover package in this week's magazine that Sen.Hatch and Speaker Gingrich also make this kind of distinction, at least according to women who claim they're in a position to know. Interestingly, they're going to be the fellows sitting in judgment if this goes to impeachment and trial... -Declan At 14:35 -0600 1/26/98, Roger J Jones wrote:

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Did not Clinton say publicly that he did not consider oral sex "sexual relations" in some statement recently?

[mailto:owner-cypherpunks@cyberpass.net]On Behalf Of Declan McCullagh Clinton said this morning:

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I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time -- never. These allegations are false. <<<<

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The question then becomes, of course, what does "sexual relations" mean?

Is it oral sex?

-Declan

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Roger J Jones

11:17 p.m.

Thanks for the info - while I am at it - has anyone ever disclosed the "distinguishing characteristic" that Paula Jones claims will prove its Bubba Bill? -----Original Message----- From: Declan McCullagh [mailto:declan@pathfinder.com] Sent: Monday, January 26, 1998 3:26 PM To: Roger J Jones Cc: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net Subject: RE: Latest Clinton dodge? Not as far as I'm aware. Tho Gennifer Flowers said years ago that Clinton distinguishes between the two. You may be thinking of his "there is no sexual relationship" quip last Wed, which was duly dissected and analyzed; journalists remembered his artful dodge on the pot-smoking affair. I think we note in our (rather extensive) cover package in this week's magazine that Sen.Hatch and Speaker Gingrich also make this kind of distinction, at least according to women who claim they're in a position to know. Interestingly, they're going to be the fellows sitting in judgment if this goes to impeachment and trial... -Declan At 14:35 -0600 1/26/98, Roger J Jones wrote:

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Did not Clinton say publicly that he did not consider oral sex "sexual relations" in some statement recently?

[mailto:owner-cypherpunks@cyberpass.net]On Behalf Of Declan McCullagh Clinton said this morning:

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I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time -- never. These allegations are false. <<<<

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The question then becomes, of course, what does "sexual relations" mean?

Is it oral sex?

-Declan

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Declan McCullagh

11:17 p.m.

Not as far as I'm aware. Though today Clinton's attys asked the judge to speed up the trial to get it over with ASAP. I'm sure this will be leaked as necessary. Jones and Starr attorneys rank up there with the White House when it comes to planned leaks. -Declan At 15:45 -0600 1/26/98, Roger J Jones wrote:

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Thanks for the info - while I am at it - has anyone ever disclosed the "distinguishing characteristic" that Paula Jones claims will prove its Bubba Bill?

-----Original Message----- From: Declan McCullagh [mailto:declan@pathfinder.com] Sent: Monday, January 26, 1998 3:26 PM To: Roger J Jones Cc: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net Subject: RE: Latest Clinton dodge?

Not as far as I'm aware. Tho Gennifer Flowers said years ago that Clinton distinguishes between the two.

You may be thinking of his "there is no sexual relationship" quip last Wed, which was duly dissected and analyzed; journalists remembered his artful dodge on the pot-smoking affair.

I think we note in our (rather extensive) cover package in this week's magazine that Sen.Hatch and Speaker Gingrich also make this kind of distinction, at least according to women who claim they're in a position to know.

Interestingly, they're going to be the fellows sitting in judgment if this goes to impeachment and trial...

-Declan

At 14:35 -0600 1/26/98, Roger J Jones wrote:

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Did not Clinton say publicly that he did not consider oral sex "sexual relations" in some statement recently?

[mailto:owner-cypherpunks@cyberpass.net]On Behalf Of Declan McCullagh Clinton said this morning:

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I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time -- never. These allegations are false. <<<<

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The question then becomes, of course, what does "sexual relations" mean?

Is it oral sex?

-Declan

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dlv＠bwalk.dm.com

11:17 p.m.

Declan McCullagh writes:

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Clinton said this morning:

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I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time -- never. These allegations are false. <<<<

The question then becomes, of course, what does "sexual relations" mean?

Is it oral sex?

-Declan

I fail to see any crypto-relevance in this question, but Mr. Clinton has made it perfectly clear that he doesn't consider getting a blow job to be sexual relations. As for his telling anybody to lie, hmm... we have his deposition where he admitted having sex with Gennifer Flowers (sp?), and we have a taped phone call where he asked her to deny it. Clinton has as much credibility as Semeer Parekh, Sandy Sandfart, and the rest of the C2Net gang. (Gotta say something cryptorelevant :-) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

dlv＠bwalk.dm.com

11:17 p.m.

"Roger J Jones" writes:

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Thanks for the info - while I am at it - has anyone ever disclosed the "distinguishing characteristic" that Paula Jones claims will prove its Bubba Bill?

Can you spell "curvature"? --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

nobody＠REPLAY.COM

11:17 p.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM, Noted Penis Expert, wrote:

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"Roger J Jones" writes:

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Thanks for the info - while I am at it - has anyone ever disclosed

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"distinguishing characteristic" that Paula Jones claims will prove its Bubba Bill?

Can you spell "curvature"?

It figures that Dimitri would know this. He seems to know all about Tim's and Sameer's and John Gilmore's penises too. Must be all that extensive taste-testing... - Frondeur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNM3QsFqnO6WRZ1UEEQIrVACfbPo6boIC96jtFuuZaqYGcAjYmOAAn1+W yk5WfpYk31L3iqqbkwXiN+hE =ElxL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

dlv＠bwalk.dm.com

11:17 p.m.

nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) writes:

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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM, Noted Penis Expert, wrote:

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"Roger J Jones" writes:

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Thanks for the info - while I am at it - has anyone ever disclosed

the

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"distinguishing characteristic" that Paula Jones claims will prove its Bubba Bill?

Can you spell "curvature"?

It figures that Dimitri would know this. He seems to know all about Tim's and Sameer's and John Gilmore's penises too. Must be all that extensive taste-testing...

- Frondeur

Bobbi Inman is a cocksucker. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

John Blair

11:17 p.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- dlv@bwalk.dm.com said:

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It figures that Dimitri would know this. He seems to know all about Tim's and Sameer's and John Gilmore's penises too. Must be all that extensive taste-testing...

- Frondeur

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Bobbi Inman is a cocksucker.

Ahh... I remember now why I re-subscribed to Cypherpunks. It was for all of the intelligent discussion that goes on here. At least back in the days of Detweiler the character assassination was creative and often fun to read. Can you please keep childish shots like this in private e-mail? It has no place in this mailing list. -john. ...................................................................... . . .....John.D.Blair... mailto:jdblair@uab.edu phoneto:205.975.7123 . . http://frodo.tucc.uab.edu faxto:205.975.7129 . ..sys|net.admin.... . . the university computer center ..... ..... g.e.e.k.n.i.k...the.university.of.alabama.at.birmingham.... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNM4gCgJjTpK3AXhBAQHC/QQArCwnCHSCzgmUGjGkGtAEtkwnsiq8rbF8 a8Ov/LKuFJslK8osLKawD+38nnY9Y3K4kvgnIT2EPRRrEzu2MxO7CKb2J/ly4QVZ xPbQ357GlmnCWmHvgECY7A20iPjgAO/z+8t9OEkCPv47E6C9+yzPdUXtWZ6Uwp4h uy/7Dm5eCkA= =nH/J -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Ray Arachelian

11:17 p.m.

On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Declan McCullagh wrote:

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Clinton said this morning:

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I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time -- never. These allegations are false. <<<<

The question then becomes, of course, what does "sexual relations" mean?

Is it oral sex?

Next thing you know, he'll say "She gave me a blow job, but didn't swallow, so it's not sex." :) =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder@sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... ======================= http://www.sundernet.com ==========================

dlv＠bwalk.dm.com

11:17 p.m.

Ray Arachelian writes:

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On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Declan McCullagh wrote:

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Clinton said this morning:

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I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time -- never. These allegations are false. <<<<

The question then becomes, of course, what does "sexual relations" mean?

Is it oral sex?

Next thing you know, he'll say "She gave me a blow job, but didn't swallow, so it's not sex." :)

It's true. Bill came on Monica's (black cocktail) dress. "There was a girl named Monica Who liked to play the harmonica." --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

dlv＠bwalk.dm.com

11:17 p.m.

John Blair writes:

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It figures that Dimitri would know this. He seems to know all about Tim's and Sameer's and John Gilmore's penises too. Must be all that extensive taste-testing...

- Frondeur

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Bobbi Inman is a cocksucker.

Ahh... I remember now why I re-subscribed to Cypherpunks. It was for all of the intelligent discussion that goes on here. At least back in the days of Detweiler the character assassination was creative and often fun to read.

Can you please keep childish shots like this in private e-mail? It has no place in this mailing list.

Bobbi Inman takes it up the ass too. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

Mac Norton

11:17 p.m.

Now I remember why i resubscribed to punks. It was so I could laugh at the guys who deplore the irrelevant irreverence that makes you whackos' messages worth a diddly to begin with. MacN On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, John Blair wrote:

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Ahh... I remember now why I re-subscribed to Cypherpunks. It was for all of the intelligent discussion that goes on here. At least back in the days of Detweiler the character assassination was creative and often fun to read.

Can you please keep childish shots like this in private e-mail? It has no place in this mailing list.

-john.

...................................................................... . . .....John.D.Blair... mailto:jdblair@uab.edu phoneto:205.975.7123 . . http://frodo.tucc.uab.edu faxto:205.975.7129 . ..sys|net.admin.... . . the university computer center ..... ..... g.e.e.k.n.i.k...the.university.of.alabama.at.birmingham....

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