Re: more deranged lunatic ravings -- just delete 'em!
erc@apple.com said:
Nope. That's not the point, and you know it. The point being (and I'm not even sure why I'm bothering to explain this to you - you're intelligent) this case has the potential to affect ALL of us, not just the participants in the case.
True. But the question is, specifically what are you suggesting "all of us" do right now? When I say specifically, I mean for instance not just "find out information about XYZ" like you said before, I mean the "and then what?" part as well. Most of us will probably do our best to learn whatever we can rather than ignoring the situation. But *then* what? What's your suggestion?
Well, scratching my crotch and looking important HAD crossed my mind. :)
Besides that, I mean. :-) Doug
erc@apple.com said:
Nope. That's not the point, and you know it. The point being (and I'm not even sure why I'm bothering to explain this to you - you're intelligent) this case has the potential to affect ALL of us, not just the participants in the case.
True. But the question is, specifically what are you suggesting "all of us" do right now? When I say specifically, I mean for instance not just "find out information about XYZ" like you said before, I mean the "and then what?" part as well. Most of us will probably do our best to learn whatever we can rather than ignoring the situation. But *then* what? What's your suggestion?
Well, scratching my crotch and looking important HAD crossed my mind. :)
Besides that, I mean. :-)
Hehehe... :) Gee, I don't *know* - but I'm not the high-powered brains behind this outfit - that's Tim's job. ;) And he has made good suggestions, too! I just don't agree with Perry's apparant advice that we all just sit around on our collective asses with our heads in the sand, waiting for Big Brother to come and roll over us. :) -- Ed Carp, N7EKG erc@apple.com 510/659-9560 anon-0001@khijol.uucp If you want magic, let go of your armor. Magic is so much stronger than steel! -- Richard Bach, "The Bridge Across Forever"
Ed Carp says:
True. But the question is, specifically what are you suggesting "all of us" do right now? When I say specifically, I mean for instance not just "find out information about XYZ" like you said before, I mean the "and then what?" part as well. Most of us will probably do our best to learn whatever we can rather than ignoring the situation. But *then* what? What's your suggestion?
Gee, I don't *know* - but I'm not the high-powered brains behind this outfit - that's Tim's job. ;) And he has made good suggestions, too!
I just don't agree with Perry's apparant advice that we all just sit around on our collective asses with our heads in the sand, waiting for Big Brother to come and roll over us.
Thats not my advice. I just recommend that we leave the lawyering to the lawyers or those who, like John Gilmore or Dan Bernstein, have learned enough that they might be able to tell valuable things to them. The rest of us have many things we can do, which Tim has already said, but among them are... 1) Code! Code! Code! The more stuff is out there, the less they will be able to do. 2) Spread cryptographic software. 3) Catalog publically available cryptographic software overseas on the net. The lawyers might need this. 4) Catalog publically available cryptographic software and textbook descriptions in the U.S. -- the lawyers might need this. 5) Write articles describing the overall picture and get them published. 6) Keep informed. etc. Perry
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