Breaking the NSA

17 Dec 2003

      Frenchie wrote
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Tony.Gurnick@nzdairy.co.nz wrote:
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Frenchie Wrote
Not that easy. They would just crack the code and *another*
   acronym based agency would come up with a different reason to
   seize you and your computer. It would seem unrelated to anyone
   but *you* since you would know what you did but would have no
   way to prove that your original infraction is why you are doin'
   time.  Hope that makes some sense.
Maybe.  What if the only way to do this was illegal?
Then you would have to hope you never do anything illegal. Then
   no (pick your acronym) agency would be able to easily trump up
   a charge that could be used as an infiltration technique to get
   to your system *legally*. If they want to bad enuff I'm sure
   breaking the law to catch you doing something would be arranged.
   Violating National Interests maybe?
Um, you would still know pgp/rsa/idea has been broken???
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If it isn't something *really good* they probably wouldn't come after
   you anyway.
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Whats the definition of GOOD?
PGP?...3xDES?....RC5?....plans for an A-Bomb with instructions for
   construction and location of available nuclear material?...pick one.
Yeah Thats pretty good
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#3 I can agree with. I don't think that NSA would tip their hand
   and let on to us that they can read our stuff. At least, not directly.
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We may as well find out.
Agreed, the problem is finding a way to be sure! A little
   misinformation has a habit of going a long way.
Huh?
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One more thing. Don't you think that they subscribe to the Cypherpunk
   list just to see this kind of logic?
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Maybe, But isnt freedom of speech what this list is about and what your
constitution does!
Be careful...not everyone here is a U.S. resident or citizen.
       At least I don't think so.
       But since I am I know how precariously balanced the definition
       of free specch is. The Supreme Court in cahoots with law
       enforcement and lawmakers could change things pretty quick!
       Throw in a handy list of names......u know the rest.
Well Im not one (a us cit i mean), but another way of putting what I said is

 Its like some private company invents a cipher

 and you break it

 And they get pissed at you for doing it.

 But you did them a favour really cause someone more unscrupulous than you wouldnt
 have told them.

 So the NSA should be glad, and encourage us to speak like this and I think we should
 continue along this track!

 Unless of course they wish to comment....?
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BTW....I ain't one of 'em, and I wouldn't tell if I was.   :)
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Prove it
[I see my smiley was disregarded]
Sorry, I forgot my smile, I was quite busy yesterday and thought I could get a quick
reply in.  I bolloxed that up!  Heres two  ))
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Proof you say!
A classical dilemma:
       If I say I am (one of them) it implies gathering
       intelligence or a reason to sow suspicion even if I am not.
       Denial implies I am what I say I am not.
       So, even though I am not, it would be impossible to *convince*
       you of that. If I was I still couldn't produce *believable*
       evidence to support the statement.
       Take my advice: Don't Trust Nobody.
Thats a good one
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Is there a reason *you* don't sign your messages? Hehehe.... :)
Cause I forgot...busy...chicken!

		T

Tony.Gurnick＠nzdairy.co.nz

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