My ten ears (Swedish coins) in the list filter/authentication topic: List software filtering/authentication does NOT protect against fake posts. If I don't use PGP and receive a signed letter from cypherpunks@toad.com, I can't do a damn to check if it really is a posting or a forgery. To forge a post, just send mail from cypherpunks@toad.com to all known posters on the list. Conclusion: The only purpose of list software filtering is to reduce traffic. All checks of signatures (by poster or by list software) must still be made by the list reader. Opinion: What we need is better client software (intelligent mail sorting, automatic checking of signatures, powerful browsing capabilities, etc). When I have that I don't mind a few extra K's of mail (it doesn't cost much, and I don't want to miss any information, even fake information). Most of the noise isn't Detweiler, but replies to Detweiler (which isn't on the list anyway). BTW, What happend to MacPGP w/ AppleEvents? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- True Name: Felix Ungman "Gen is god and your God is not"