on the subject of wine-importing restrictions in florida:

tcmay wrote:

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Chiles and his co-conspirators should be shot for high crimes > against the Constitution. After Clinton, Freeh, Kerrey, and the other traitors.

Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right > thing. Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all > that.

oh yaah. you betcha.

it's illegal to ship wine to floridans now, so therefore it is okay to execute the responsible officials and blow up innocents.

The blowing up of innocents is something no-one on this list would agree with were it not entirely necessary. Indeed I myself would have great problems in justifying the killing of even 1 innocent person by calling the fight for liberty "war". Execution of the responsible officials would be no crime. I applaud the sentiments of those who support this viewpoint, and would respect the bravery and fortitude of anyone who carried out such an act, provided they recognised the necessary step of taking precautions against injuring innocent bystanders (tm).

no doubt there are hundreds of cypherpunks out there nodding their heads in blithe agreement at this point.

Of course, but you have twisted this point to imply that Tim meant to say the killing of innocents was something to be "brushed aside" as a necessary step. Maybe Tim does feel that the loss of a few innocent lives in a war situation is justifiable, I have problems with this and have said so in previous posts, but I can see the logic behind it, this seems to me a very slippery and difficult question to answer, YMMV.

HELLO PEOPLE! buy a clue from the Discount Clue Store, and while you are out, stop by the Jiffy Lube and get your common human decency refilled.

Common human decency, almost like common sense, the metaphysics of savages. Your definition of common human decency must be fatally flawed if you believe the actions of the criminal bureacrats in the system do not justify the executions of these evil officials. It is merely an act of self defence to execute people who violate the rights of other people. You are the one who seems to need to get the proverbial clue, If you merely mean to say that the killing of innocents in the name of "war" is not justifiable, then I have a great deal of sympathy and a certain amount of agreement with your point of view, if you mean to say that the execution of those who violate our rights is not justified as a form of self defence or even as a form of punishment for their crimes then you could not be further from the truth. Also, on a slightly more practical point, as I have said, if one was to bomb any major commercial or government building the chances of killing a truly innocent person are fairly small anyway.