Re: effective GACK fighting
Vlad the Mad wrote:
hence, I think we need to rely more on the courtroom-- it's the only "language" that bureacrats understand. extremely expensive, but more effective. it forces us to put our money where our mouths are. "the price of liberty is eternal vigilance" and a lot of cash as well. the PRZ case proves the public can support such a campaign. also tactics as used by Softwar such as the FOIA attack approach. .......................................................
I'm agreeing with Vlad (euwwwww), mainly because I've had the same idea for a long time, about the effect of winning intellectual battles in a courtroom. This is a prime location for the airing-out of ideas, clarification of concepts, and making decisive conclusions about what is/is not the right way for governming bodies to behave, to do, to treat citizens, in relation to the original ideal (and could that ideal be clarified even further, for those who still don't get it?). It would require some 'real' libertarian lawyers of the kind cpunks could support. But wouldn't it be grand to watch as they decimated the opposition, as they reminded everyone of the raison d'etre for this exceptional nation, and as they 'put it to' a jury, in black & white, just what the deal is in a free society? Shoot, we don't need another President - just a good lawyer. Just imagine! Dream on! .. Blanc
At 8:50 PM -0700 11/1/97, Blanc wrote:
I'm agreeing with Vlad (euwwwww), mainly because I've had the same idea for a long time, about the effect of winning intellectual battles in a courtroom. This is a prime location for the airing-out of ideas,
Where have you folks been the last couple of years? Given that the list has been discussing the Bernstein case (and 30 of us even attended some of Judge Patel's hearings in SF), and the Junger and Karn cases have been extensively reported, and the CDA was overturned, I'd certainly say court battles have been a priority for a long time. In fact, the EFF has more or less officially de-emphasized legislative work in favor of spending more time and money on court cases. The EFF was, of course, deeply involved in the Bernstein case. I'm not sure what Detweiler's point was, as I only saw his comment through Blanc's quotes, but if he was calling for more of a legal focus, I think this was realized by many a few years ago. Certainly I don't know of any Cypherpunks pushing for legislative solutions. Most of us have explicitly condemned the legislative actions, realzing that Congress can only make things worse. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
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