Re: Nonsense, absolute nonsense... [Fwd: HipCrime and Spam]

At 12:21 PM 9/13/96 -0600, you wrote:
At 19:02 9/12/96, Ross Wright wrote to cypherpunks@toad.com and remailer-operators@c2.org and...:
On Or About: 12 Sep 96 at 17:48, Rabid Wombat wrote:
However, since others may think like you, I guess I'll have to add a line above my link stating that email not related to the purpose of my site will be happily proof-read at the rate of $200 per hour,
Just great. That sure takes away any anonymity you had about being "on the cutting edge" of the information age. That 1952 "proof-read" crap went out in the 70's. How can you hope to enforce it? It's a joke, right? :) Maybe not, since it's on your sig-line.
Hey, that was my too-long sig, Ross. There is obviously more than one person who disagrees with your assertion that listing an email address somewhere is an open invitation for mail to that address on any topic or for any purpose.
Also, I charge $500 per message. I've always liked flat fees. :-)
------- Forwarded Message ------- At 21:50 9/11/96, Ross Wright <rwright@adnetsol.com> wrote to cypherpunks@toad.com and remailer-operators@c2.org:
As I said having a website invites comments. It's like being a public figure. In effect you are publishing your e-mail address.
Interesting perspective. However, placing an email address on a web page is by no means an offer to take "comments" (i.e., marketing spams) on anything that strikes the spammer's fancy.
How would you know what the *intent* of these other people is in placing mailme: tags on their public pages unless you have been to the specific pages. You speak only for yourself, yet you try to imply that you speak for everyone on the www who has placed a mailto: tag on their pages.
The context in which any email address is mentioned will tell you what sorts of messages are expected at that address.
Would it make a difference if the message to the webmasters mailto: buttons said "Nice webpages you have, when you get a moment check out my designs". Remember the thread is about an Artist who sent out only his URL to encourage visitors. This is and was a NON commercial site.
To maintain otherwise is just a flimsy excuse for "seedy low life multi-level-marketing jerks" who want to cover their postage-due unsolicited advertising/promotional email in some false cloak of respectability.
*Respectability* is subjective to the definer...
To continue the comment box analogy, the stuffing of salsa sample comment boxes (next to the salsa sample booth in the grocery store) with ads for anything you're pushing is most decidedly not what the comment box is for.
Without a disclaimer on the box stating specifically what cannot be placed in it there can be no knowing what the boxholder finds of personal interest...
-- "As the most participatory form of mass speech yet developed, the Internet deserves the highest protection from governmental intrusion. ... Just as the strength of the Internet is chaos, so the strength of our liberty depends upon the chaos and cacophony of the unfettered speech the First Amendment protects." -- Judge Stewart Dalzell
Unsolicited advertising/promotional email proofread for $500/message! Your sending such a message to me is an explicit request for my services!
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At 21:50 9/11/96, Ross Wright <rwright@adnetsol.com> wrote to cypherpunks@toad.com and remailer-operators@c2.org:
As I said having a website invites comments. It's like being a public figure. In effect you are publishing your e-mail address.
Interesting perspective. However, placing an email address on a web page is by no means an offer to take "comments" (i.e., marketing spams) on anything that strikes the spammer's fancy.
How would you know what the *intent* of these other people is in placing mailme: tags on their public pages unless you have been to the specific pages. You speak only for yourself, yet you try to imply that you speak for everyone on the www who has placed a mailto: tag on their pages.
I think this is exactly the point. On a given page I might have several mailto tags. One for comments on some subject, one for feedback, and one for the webmaster. I expect the person mailing me to take the time to use the correct mailbox. I created a page urging political activism, and included a mailto for all the relevant Senators and Representatives. I hardly think they are interested in this kind of spam. Trawling the web for every address you can find, then mailing them all seems very inappropriate. -Lance ---------------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell loki@obscura.com PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. Mixmaster, the next generation remailer, is now available! http://www.obscura.com/~loki/Welcome.html or FTP to obscura.com "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche ----------------------------------------------------------
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