faulty moderation software: duplicate messages
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Virtually all list postings to the cypherpunks main list are doubled; the first, which is a standard pass through with the message ID of the sender, the second with the message ID of toad.com. Obviously, the first is destined for the unedited list --which did _not_ receive the message. The second has been re-IDd, which I presume is your censorhip mark. I happen to subscribe to all three lists, even though main + flames == unedited is supposedly the intention, it is not. In order to divide the output stream from toad.com, sorting on "Sender: " is the only reasonable differentation (when toad's filters are working): Sender: owner-cypherpunks@toad.com Sender: owner-cypherpunks-flames@toad.com Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com Sender: owner-coderpunks@toad.com in the case cited below, the only differentation between the destinations is that the censored message has a "Message-ID: " from toad.com, while the one intended for unedited has a "Message-ID: " not from toad.com. was either of these destinated from flames? --the main list with duplicated messages has contained any number of messages, including ones from the ASCII art series which should have gone to flames. so, why is the pass through message not being reliably re-headered at toad.com to mark "Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com" --but if it is, why is unedited receiving a duplicate --obviously the duplicate should have gone to flames. BOTTOM LINE: your software is inadequate. my neighbors' kids write better filters than you have installed. +Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) + by primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA05103 + for <attila@primenet.com>; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 04:24:48 -0700 (MST) +Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id +DAA20391; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 03:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from +hermes.ex.ac.uk (hermes.ex.ac.uk [194.83.11.25]) by toad.com +(8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA20386; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 03:21:20 -0800 +(PST) Received: from aba@p28-dove-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.60.88] +by hermes via ESMTP (LAA22615); Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:21:06 GMT Received: +(from aba@localhost) by server.test.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA00460; +Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:15:30 GMT Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:15:30 GMT +Message-Id: <199702071115.LAA00460@server.test.net> +From: Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk> +To: mark@infolawalert.com +Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com, mclow@owl.csusm.edu +In-reply-to: <199702052256.OAA06322@toad.com> (message from Mark + Voorhees on Wed, 05 Feb 97 17:05:51 -0400) +Subject: Re: Deloitte-Touche? +Sender: owner-cypherpunks@toad.com +Precedence: bulk +X-UIDL: 5456a9a45ccaf4617ae176a63b26efb4 +Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) + by primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26045; + Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:00:01 -0700 (MST) +Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id +HAA24892; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:12:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: + <199702071512.HAA24892@toad.com> +Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:15:30 GMT +From: Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk> +To: mark@infolawalert.com +Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com, mclow@owl.csusm.edu +Subject: Re: Deloitte-Touche? +Sender: owner-cypherpunks@toad.com +Precedence: bulk +X-UIDL: 83079c59aea2b28dc5ded2dc73c5219a -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be iQCVAwUBMvtvF704kQrCC2kFAQEFAwP/RyyZswe9GznJt4TAEMPnhKcgA9pUsf+k mw+pDcjaJyUfKttoaVz0qRM2hIe33igoPtBDXWf5VD9r+Gz+gry6K+UK7rYCNNE9 MMdYHRV51hYuLKJAY4LNU6j5hoqf5q2Btt/m3F9SFQtD0ellsi4QH/vseJC1YNYh tq3TA+hny/U= =v3sl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- All messages with "Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com" are received from the flames list. The difference between the unedited and moderated lists is that the moderated list changes the message ID, appending toad.com, and deletes all received headers before "majordom@localhost.*by toad.com". None of the messages are being doubled; this is just the result of buggy software Here's the recipe I use to filter out the three separate lists: :0 * ^Sender: owner-cypherpunks.*@toad.com { :0 * ^Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com flames :0 * -1^1 ^Received: * 3^1 ^Received:.*from majordom@localhost.*by toad.com * ^Message-Id:.*toad.com in.cpunks :0 unedited } -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMvuzrSzIPc7jvyFpAQFSywf/YqoJLI6crxcL9qJO/CXJKWMy5NCwilIX ZNgt5YkhMUpOzGtFLEYXdiw2XVisS0fWy2X7rGul7+BYYuVAM2tnOTKWuavufJXe KhIp41KKHe7dFWDarm5VwCt7pulRM4xVinpu0+T8M/1wfRLbC4bctJXGMSYSM9Pz U+IBqSbi3MkrE3lAwJtirvC3qDgQXvLqHQRVwYkv8wmVoQXGKCGuiM4YEu3TamvH bBPEPHfh7gbtVtBFiUri7jtGLHv6kROb0/wuREgkxHd0wLld/3L7GRClIgy8b+1K 6TeuoO32SA6tp+a9yytQUuf/WvueGdFSbLwXHozMvRu5+WOcqa8Hbw== =MQlk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- on or about 970207:1759 "Mark M." <markm@voicenet.com> said: +All messages with "Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com" are +received from the flames list. The difference between the unedited and +moderated lists is that the moderated list changes the message ID, +appending toad.com, and deletes all received headers before +"majordom@localhost.*by toad.com". None of the messages are being +doubled; this is just the result of buggy software if you receive both the unedited and the censored plus flames, each message should be doubled --unedited sends all messages, but fails to always mark them in sender -basically, you need to key on the fact the Message-ID is NOT ....@toad.com for the unedited file no, I dont have a problem with that, it is just stupid on toad's part (John?) to not correctly identify the pass through messages with 'Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com' --a few are, but the vast majority are still shipped out as 'Sender: owner-cypherpunks@toad.com' (and the 'Received' chain as I pointed out in my original post). to me that is piss poor list management. unfortunately, I can not use procmail at this point on my mail reader platform, but the internal filters are multilevel and do allow enough flexibility. I use procmail extensively on my host for autobots, spam filtering, objectional posters filtering, etc. I think you probably have an error in your procmail script as to sending 'unedited' to flames. the theory stated is: mainline (censored) + flames == unedited but I will not test it since I prefer to read/respond off line with MR/2 than Pine online. I will request Nick Knight for the construction of his folders (except he has no lock mechanism) and I might write a PPP POP3 mail recovery program, pass it through procmail which passes it to a function to write it to MR/2's folders. however you slice it, censorship on a freedom of speech list just does not make it and we make fools of ourselves if we think otherwise. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be iQCVAwUBMvxHR704kQrCC2kFAQFQyAP+LXpWz1bFoGAs2tu+stR4YD8OBbRPv8cO /vLuf/oB6auYCI3I4mx1raPEFmg0Ul7dKf7Z9hINukkLbjMQtK4exCSlXeDK7kyz 2N6IbUYviauCHr2CM5w/kZ6GBKiajCfa+QysoKLIfrHGr35WUrSY+as/5cJ4XtYQ c+yw9WLbIuk= =B67K -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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