At 11:31 PM 3/28/96, Alan Horowitz wrote:

Certainly, I believe TCM's proposition that there is no "economic need" for an American to learn a second language.

On the other hand, I haven't seen any demonstration of the "value" of learning history. Yet, who would argue that ignorance of history is a good policy to follow?

Bad analogy. Studying a combination of world history and one's nation's history is an obvious thing to do. And good bang for the buck. Choosing a language is a much harder proposition. No single language stands out for most Westerners, at least not nearly as much as it once did. (Or one of several "top pick" languages, e.g., German, French, and Spanish.) My last word on this language topic will be this: far from being a closed, ignorant, immigrant-hating, shit-eating nation, as some of the usual America bashers have intimated, the decline of language skills reflects a decline in the "ethnocentrism" of the past. A few decades ago, one studied German to be a scientist, one studied French to be cultured, one studied Latin for unexplained reasons (just a joke), and one studied Spanish if not one of the others. As immigrant waves entered the U.S., and as the anti-Westernism meme spread amongst educators, Latin faded out, then German, then French. (All are still taught, but not in the numbers once seen.) Given the explosion of languages--Yoruba, Talegu, Tagalog, Russian, Korean, and on and on--the role of French, German, and to some extent Spanish is less clear than ever. (Spanish is admittedly a growing language, but not in technical fields...just a fact.) So, I am not surprised that American students have no desire to learn one of these languages. They'll have to search to find people to practice with, which they won't (on average, not at the 2-sigma point). While I don't deny the niceness of knowing Russian or Korean, the effort needed to achieve reasonable proficiency (beyond the simple words Bill Frantz was talking about....this thread is about actually learning a language, not a handful of phrases!) is not worth, in my opinion and that apparently of many others, the effort. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."