I don't think thats the case. I'm the senior admin at the Dallas backup site for Netcom. I'm setting up several backup news servers here and we aren't doing any alt.* censorship. "alt" groups are still sucking up lots of bandwidth and gigs :-). On the other hand the San Jose site has had a lot of power problems and news software problems to contend with lately (hence the idea of a "backup" site for netcom :-) ) Maybe you are branching to a conclusion? Now if there was only a way to tie the scientology thing in with the alt.* censorship conspiracy. Regards, Mark Hittinger Netcom/Dallas bugs@freebsd.netcom.com bugs@ritz.mordor.com