Re: "Freedom Knights" are closet censors
What is "censoring other people's censorship?"
The act of preventing censorship. You are supposed to be capable at language, why can't you figure this out.
Say I argue in favor of the CDA. Would you censor me then? Why not? Isn't this censoring others censorship?
Nope. If you sent cancel messages out on USENET for Anti-CDA people, however, then you would fall under my "censorship". If you somehow caused mail messages to be deleted in people's mailboxes, I would find a way to stop that. But you can argue all you want. Go ahead, I grant you that permission. 8-)
I wonder why the so-called "Freedom Knights" are so insecure in their beliefs that they will not tolerate a dissenting voice on their mailing list. (Let's forget for the moment that my point in subscribing was to disrupt it. That's not the point, is it? "More speech, more speech!")
Sorry, that *is* the point. If you tell me you are going to disrupt the list, I am not going to let you on the list...even though you are easily ignored. Why? Consider who is on this list. Dr. Vulis. John "No One Can Handle Me" Grubor. Steve Boursy. These are people who you can *not* annoy, trust me. No, this is for your benefit much more than ours. The damage you will do to yourself is far greater than the damage you will do to our list. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet Wisdom (n.) - 1. Something you can learn without knowing it.
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Dave Hayes wrote:
Sorry, that *is* the point. If you tell me you are going to disrupt the list, I am not going to let you on the list...even though you are easily ignored.
And if Vulis shows Gilmore, though his actions, that he is going to disrupt cypherpunks, Vulis can be prevented from being on the list...even though he is easily ignored. The freedom you, Dave, are exercising as owner and perhaps moderator of freedom-knights, is precisely the same freedom that Gilmore should and does enjoy. That's why neither of your actions is, in truth, "censorship." -Declan
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:48:41 -0800 (PST) From: Declan McCullagh
Reply-To: freedom-knights@jetcafe.org To: Dave Hayes Cc: freedom-knights@jetcafe.org, cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: Re: "Freedom Knights" are closet censors On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Dave Hayes wrote:
Sorry, that *is* the point. If you tell me you are going to disrupt the list, I am not going to let you on the list...even though you are easily ignored.
And if Vulis shows Gilmore, though his actions, that he is going to disrupt cypherpunks, Vulis can be prevented from being on the list...even though he is easily ignored.
The freedom you, Dave, are exercising as owner and perhaps moderator of freedom-knights, is precisely the same freedom that Gilmore should and does enjoy.
Bullshit! There is NO similarity at ALL between the cyberpunks list and the F-K list, and the comparison between the two is grossly misplaced.
That's why neither of your actions is, in truth, "censorship."
-Declan
Gilmore's shit would better be called the "EFF's-fucking of the people," since he thinks he can use his EFF status and past reputation as a wedge. There is just no excuse for ever pulling any plug, ever. -john
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