Re: wealth and property rights
On Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:00:36 -0800 (PST), Dave Kinchlea wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, snow wrote: You are clearly an angry young man. I am sorry you have such a poor opinion of people, I am even more sorry if it is justified. You can believe me or not, but what you describe is *not* the ordinary case in this country. Of course, in this country we have a disgusting 10+% unemployment rate. Even if people DO want to work, there are no jobs.
All that aside, I can tell you do not have a family if you thing that $6.50/hr is a living! Even accounting for the difference in our dollar, I would say that is barely subsistence income for a single person. Are we *all* not worthy of more than that?
Yes, there are maany angry young men in this country. Unions prevent young men from compeating in the market place. Unemployment Insurance artificialy increases the unemployment rate by 2% (this is a figure that many people more knowledgable than me have stated) welfare increases the unemployment rate by another 1%. The Canadian Pension Plan is out of money and yet I am still forced to contribute and for what??? Will it still exist when I retire? Not bloody likely. Fortunatly NAFTA has forced some of our companies to compeat or die. Take a look at Canadian. Are they gone? I didn't get to watch the news today...... I'll bet that most of the employees would gladly take a 10% wage cut to save to company but the union leaders won't let them vote on it. Why? Because they would loose power. Look at what the govn't do. Most of them just contribute to the problem by offering hand outs. They don't need hand outs! ONE gov't (Alberta) offered to lower the fuel taxes. YAAAAA RALPH!!! (Who's ecinomic reforms incidentally (sp) was hearalded by the Post as a model for govn't across North America) Cut taxes and kill the union leaders. Sorry for siting my sources..... mhayes@infomatch.com It's better for us if you don't understand It's better for me if you don't understand -Tragically Hip
On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Murray Hayes wrote:
Yes, there are maany angry young men in this country. Unions prevent young men from compeating in the market place. Unemployment Insurance artificialy increases the unemployment rate by 2% (this is a figure that many people more knowledgable than me have stated) welfare increases the unemployment rate by another 1%. The Canadian Pension Plan is out of money and yet I am still forced to contribute and for what??? Will it still exist when I retire? Not bloody likely.
I won't argue with your figures, I don't believe them but lets use them for arguments sake. UI (or is it EI now?) + welfare increase the unemployment rate by a combined 3%, that still leaves (at least) 7+% unemployed, a significant number! Meanwhile, major corporations who are significantly adding to the unemployment rate themselves (heard of `downsizing') are making record profits. That too must be the poor people's fault, yes? You have a right to be angry about CPP, it pisses me too for I know I won't get a dime either. But the people you *should* be mad at are the seniors and politians who allowed this to happen, not the people on the low end. FWIW, I agree with you about the Unions (for the most part). Many have lost sight of the reasons they were formed in the first place. The leaders of those unions, at least the biggies, have become the monster they so love to hate. The recent Canadian Airline fiasco is a prime example.
Fortunatly NAFTA has forced some of our companies to compeat or die. Take a look at Canadian. Are they gone? I didn't get to watch the news today......
Last I heard, the CAW was still refusing to allow a vote. I would love to see that union broken myself.
I'll bet that most of the employees would gladly take a 10% wage cut to save to company but the union leaders won't let them vote on it. Why? Because they would loose power. Look at what the govn't do. Most of them just contribute to the problem by offering hand outs. They don't need hand outs! ONE gov't (Alberta) offered to lower the fuel taxes.
YAAAAA RALPH!!! (Who's ecinomic reforms incidentally (sp) was hearalded by the Post as a model for govn't across North America)
Who has also been implicated in some form of insider trading, not the white knight everyone would have us believe.
Cut taxes and kill the union leaders.
Sorry for siting my sources.....
I assume you mean: "Sorry for NOT citing my sources" cheers, kinch PS: I am not going to keep this up, at least not on cypherpunks, it has zip to do with the charter.
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