Re: Sat phone permit "wire"taps
At 12:52 AM 7/31/95 -0700, rick hoselton wrote:
Different cases - the Walkers gave away information on how the Yankees were stealing Russian secrets, which the Russians patched up by encrypting.
Really? Do you have a reference for this? I am interested.
No refs, this is just memory of the news. There was an undersea cable north of Siberia somewhere that carried a lot of unencrypted military traffic, which US Submarines were eavesdropping on. I think Walker was the one who leaked it, and they started encrypting. Refs on the Walkers should be easy to find in the library; there were a couple of books.
The most current information on the Rosenbergs, gotten from decrypted Soviet communications and declassified US and ex-Soviet files, indicates that Ethel Rosenberg was probably innocent of spying, and Julius was spying but didn't give away any useful atomic secrets, and that the FBI probably knew at the time they had Ethel killed that she was innocent.
WOW! Had them killed? They WERE tried and convicted, you know.
Yes, with government-provided evidence, and with the government withholding inconvenient evidence. There was a story on KPFA radio in the last week or so covering an article on the Rosenbergs in some lefty magazine, probably The Nation, by a couple who have been strong supporters of them for years, and are now saying that "sorry, friends, it looks like Julius _was_ spying, though not atomically". #--- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, Freelance Information Architect, stewarts@ix.netcom.com # Phone +1-510-247-0664 Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 #--- # Export PGP three lines a time --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/ M0V]N9W)E<W,@<VAA;&P@;6%K92!N;R!L87<@+BXN(&%B<FED9VEN9R!T:&4@ M9G)E961O;2!O9B!S<&5E8V@L(&]R(&]F('1H92!P<F5S<SL-"F]R('1H92!R M:6=H="!O9B!T:&4@<&5O<&QE('!E86-E86)L>2!T;R!A<W-E;6)L92P@( T*
Bill, I also understood that the Walkers also leaked to the Soviets details on U.S. submarine sonar operating procedures. _Anyway_, my point was, if they can't keep _that_ secret, I doubt they'd be able to keep secret the details/keys for activating the backdoor on whatever artificially weakened system they're forced to use (if they are). Phil
On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, Phil Fraering wrote:
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:41:37 -0500 From: Phil Fraering <pgf@tyrell.net> To: stewarts@ix.netcom.com Cc: hoz@univel.telescan.com, cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: Sat phone permit "wire"taps
Bill, I also understood that the Walkers also leaked to the Soviets details on U.S. submarine sonar operating procedures.
_Anyway_, my point was, if they can't keep _that_ secret, I doubt they'd be able to keep secret the details/keys for activating the backdoor on whatever artificially weakened system they're forced to use (if they are).
Phil
What the walkers really gave over was the ability to decode U.S. Naval and some diplomatic ciphers through the surrender of codebooks, procedures, keycards and repair manuals for the crypto hardware. The resulting traffic and crypto analysis was backbreaking- and valuable enough to make Walker Sr. the best paid spy to that date in the Soviet scheme of things. Sov's discovered their traffic was being read on the Ivy line by listening to naval and diplomatic communication referencing it directly- and a little bit of selective transmission to confirm the source of intelligence. (The U.S. played a similar trick on the Japanese to verify Midway as their target in the Pacific- they were reading Purple and the JN-12 and JN series flawlessly at the time) Sov's discovered their subs were being tracked with amazing ease by listening to U.S. Naval anti-sub communications and reports. The result: Directed attention to the noise emmisions of their sub fleet, something they might have overlooked for years otherwise. The grand result: Among others: Stronger Soviet Encryption, and the purchase from Japan of high precision milling equipment which allowed the Sov's to produce perfected and hyper quiet propellers for their subs- they jumped 10 years in technology in 12 months. The most damaging and most coveted espionage information is cryptanalysis. Period. --- 00B9289C28DC0E55 nemo repente fuit turpissimus - potestas scientiae in usu est E16D5378B81E1C96 quaere verum ad infinitum, loquitur sub rosa - wichtig! *New Key Information* - Finger for key revocation and latest key update.
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