Igor Chudov @ home wrote:

As far as I understand, the process of building a distributed network of cypherpunks mailing lists is logically complete. It means that the following list servers are now connected: ssz.com <---> algebra <----> cyberpass Again, you are free to do so and your Cc-copies will NOT cause any duplication of traffic because each mailing list server employs an anti-duplicate filter. It is just a waste of your keyboard typing.

Dale Thorn @ bat:

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That's funny - I unsuscrived to toad, and 'scribed to cyberpass and algebra. I have been getting an average of 2-1/2 of each message that comes through. Mostly three's, a few two's, and an occasional five or six copies.

It sounds to me as if we might already have a naturally recurring parallax to a hash-collusion system here. In other misued words, perchance the ASCII art spams and multiple copies of various posts, which became common fare for anyone who followed the moderation/censorship experiment/dictatorship of Gilmore/Sandfort and Toad/C2Net in Jan/Feb, are nature's way of exacting a cost for subscription to the CypherPunks list(s). Perhaps the good Dr.Vulis DV K, rather than being called a flamer, should be referred to as our good friend, Mr. Fire, who helps to clear the deadwood out of the forest. Apparently, over a thousand pieces of deadwood were cleared in the last cycle of flamewars. ("Run, Bambi. Run!") Below, agreeing with me (in my dreams): Hal Finney wrote:

Adam Back writes:

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[ Re idea to for a nym to "post a bond" to enhance reputation] Your suggestion is another neat way of passing expense and tying an investment to a nyms reputation. X-reputation: 64 bit SHA1 collision or X-reputation: $100 digicash

Don't forget though, it's not really a payment system. The hash collisions can't be exchanged for anything in the real world. They represent a certain threshold of effort which someone has to have ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (emphasis mine) expended to create them, but they can't replace cash. At best they could be sort of a "play money" which some people choose to accept.

I do like your idea of using it as an incoming spam filter, though. (By spam I mean mass mailings.)

Which begs the question, is the current system capable of acting as an outgoing filter? Can it glean out the losers who are cruising for an easy view of cryptography issues, and help maintain a higher level of membership, limiting it to losers who have a more dedicated interest/psychosis in privacy/paranoia cryptography/disinformation issues.

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- and anyway I've nearly finished implementing it (I'll post the hash cash postage money mint (collision generator) and remailer plug-in for postage later on today) where as not many people have digicash accounts.

Perhaps if Dale developed an 'outgoing filter' system to go with Adam's 'incoming filter' system, we could have the best of both worlds, being saved from "Make $$$ Fast" spams, but having to use our delete keys to ante-up in regard to our own list loons. We could also institute a 'bad hash' system, where bad-hashes like Tim C. May could use their guns to balance the threat of legal actions from bad-hashes like Greg Broiles. With new developments such as these, to thwart the efforts of anti-thwarters to bring balance and sanity to the list, perhaps the CypherPunks can bypass the inevitable evolutionary extinction of the 'bug-fixed' victims of insect vasectomies, and bring in the new millenium as the longest running wash-out-your-mouth-with Soap Opera on the InterNet, staying one step ahead of the guys with the ButterflyNet. The Truth of the Mongrel is, that we obviously need to develop a system that makes certain the spam we receive is CypherSpam. The loons on the list should be CypherLoons. Our membership should consist of CypherIdiots, CypherNewbies, CypherElitists, CypherLosers, CypherCynics, CypherSpooks and CypherGenius'. Where else can movers and shakers like Robert Hettinga join in an list-takeover attempt, call for the killing of the list, and then, like a whirling dervish acting as his own spin doctor, re-appear, riding on the back of the CypherXenix rising from the ashes, and genuinely declare, "I *love* this list."? Where else can CypherWoofers like Toto roundly condemn Sandfart <spit>* and Gilmore <swallow>* as fascist censors, then praise his own bum-buddy, Igor Chewed-Off <commie>*, for his site blocking efforts, and then cynically whine when his own "Make Big $$$ Licking Your Own Nuts At Home" bulk-emails are intercepted and deleted? (* - ASCII Graphicology allegedly (c) DV K Bot-ling Plant, No-Inc.) Where else can Afro-American cryptographers have their native tongue, Ebonics, recognized as a valid encryption system? Where else can you be guaranteed that your typoos will be forwarded to Ft. Meade, to be pored over by military analysts for hidden meaning, quite possibly launching world infowars as a result of drunken, sticky fingers. The CypherPunks list, love it or leave it, is still, far and away, the best show in town. ("If I can make it theeerrre...I can make it anywheeerrre..") And the way this relates to cryptography is...my brain is scrambled/encrypted. Anarchist (Don't) Rule! Truth Mongrel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just say "No" to "Bad Dog Inside" We got nuts, we're peeing on telephone poles, I know that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Truth Mongrel | Doggie Anarchy: cats chased, bones buried, tm@woof.nut | anonymous droppings, analog come-calling Woof! Woof! | legs lifted, territories marked "Yard fences aren't even speed bumps on the garbage sniffing alleyway."