Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
At 12:34 AM 7/9/96 -0400, you wrote:
John F. Fricker writes:
Seems like if your child needs drugs to go to school than perhaps school is the problem not that your child's body lacks Ritalin.
Sheesh.
So it happens that I was talking with a fellow Saturday who grew up on Ritalin. He's 36 now and strung out. Life with Ritalin prepared him for drugs, you know. They were natural. Like the body is made for different laboratory made molecules with dubious effects.
Yeah, you know, I bet your body doesn't get infected for lack of penicillin, either. I suspect that taking Penicillin prepares you for drug dependancies. Why, next, you might take insulin to deal with diabetes, or worse!
Thank god most of those heroin addicts never had Ritalin as kids -- you never know how much worse off they might be now. And if they'd gotten antibiotics, why, forget it.
Quit from modern medicine cold turkey. Its the only way.
Perry
Perry, you're typically vitriolic wit fails you. What's up? Lost your prescription? Snide pills spill in the toilet again?
John F. Fricker writes:
you're typically vitriolic wit fails you. What's up? Lost your prescription? Snide pills spill in the toilet again?
I thought I was rather on the money. Perhaps you just don't find my vitriol funny when I direct it at you. I'm sick of you, Tim and other people telling folks how to treat their problems. Tim is happy saying that he thinks people's lives are their own business, but opportunities to stick his nose into the ways that his neighbors raise children are just peachy to him. I'd say that the lot of you are self-satisfied busybodies, and poorly educated ones at that. If someone out there has their life improved by Ritalin, its not any of your business to tell them not to take it. There are kids out there, and adults, who have psychological problems that are well treated if not cured by medicines. Sure, its nice to do things "naturally" and "without drugs", but I'll point out that two thirds or more of the people reading this message would be dead now because of infections they forgot they had twenty years ago, or because of indoor plumbing assuring a clean water supply, or a million other artificial interventions into the natural course of life, which is, naturally, death at 20 or 25 without a tooth left in your head, cowering in a cave, surrounded by the other savages. So, go right ahead. Discourage people from using their medicines. Make fun of the parents of the "poor little zombie" taking Ritalin because otherwise his life, from his own perspective, is a living hell. Heck, TAKE AWAY HIS MEDICINE, the way Tim cheers on. Then please go home and throw away that aspirin. The natural way to deal with a headache is to suffer. When you break your arm, swear off medical attention and crawl around in pain for a while. Its the "Right Thing" to do. In any case, even if all this stuff isn't real, I'm sure you are completely above taking drugs to help you get along in life. I'm sure you never drink coffee to get you up in the morning, for instance. Because if you have, you are a hypocrite. Not, of course, that anyone here would fit that description. Perry
On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
I'm sick of you, Tim and other people telling folks how to treat their problems. Tim is happy saying that he thinks people's lives are their own business, but opportunities to stick his nose into the ways that his neighbors raise children are just peachy to him.
Maybe we're just a bit afraid of how society treats it's members, and how parents treat our future employees/servants/neighbors. We are not trying to pass laws that say people _can't_ give their kids drugs, just questioning the wisdom of passing the pills out like they are candy to children. They same children we tell not to smoke a little pot because "we don't know how it affects young minds". Speed is a little more potent than Pot. Just a little.
If someone out there has their life improved by Ritalin, its not any of your business to tell them not to take it.
If someones life is being ruined because their parents are forcing them to take these pills.
There are kids out there, and adults, who have psychological problems that are well treated if not cured by medicines. Sure, its nice to do things "naturally" and "without drugs", but I'll point out that two thirds or more of the people reading this message would be dead now because of infections they forgot they had twenty years ago, or because of indoor plumbing assuring a clean water supply, or a million other artificial interventions into the natural course of life, which is, naturally, death at 20 or 25 without a tooth left in your head, cowering in a cave, surrounded by the other savages.
No arguements here. I'd be the last to say "Do things Naturally", but chemical addictions suck really hard.
So, go right ahead. Discourage people from using their medicines. Make fun of the parents of the "poor little zombie" taking Ritalin because otherwise his life, from his own perspective, is a living hell. Heck,
To a Heroin Addict, life without junk is living hell.
TAKE AWAY HIS MEDICINE, the way Tim cheers on. Then please go home and throw away that aspirin. The natural way to deal with a headache is to suffer. When you break your arm, swear off medical attention and crawl around in pain for a while. Its the "Right Thing" to do.
In any case, even if all this stuff isn't real, I'm sure you are completely above taking drugs to help you get along in life. I'm sure you never drink coffee to get you up in the morning, for instance. Because if you have, you are a hypocrite. Not, of course, that anyone here would fit that description.
Quit taking Caffine 2 years ago, and quit smoking 2 weeks ago. Hell, since I quit working for one of the big 6 accounting firms, I rarely have headaches, so you could say that leaving the High Tech Hi-Rise life Style _did_ cure me to an extent. (that was a joke boy). I really don't think that anyone here is claiming that there are no mental problems, just that maybe it is best not to throw powerful drugs at people we don't even trust to drive a car. Petro, Christopher C. petro@suba.com <prefered for any non-list stuff> snow@crash.suba.com
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