Big Brother is watching
Yes, rest assured that Big Brother is watching. Three CopBots have been deployed around the county to take pictures of vehicles exiting intersections after the light has turned red. These CopBots are a great boon to our prosperity and security as they free up the huminoid Cops from traffic duties so that they can better spend their time toilet plunger kicking.
Yes, they love these in Germany too. Ways to combat: 1) Wax your license plate, especially the front one. 2) When you find one of these unattended critters along the road, wave your hand in front of it at amazing speeds until it runs out of film. (Ensure middle finger is extended.) 3) Wave a plunger in front of it at amazing speeds. Give the cops tens of alternating shots of your extended finger and plungers. 4) Assault the machine with a plunger. (Only if really mad.) -- FedPlunger
On Thu, Sep 04, 1997 at 10:01:20AM -0700, Tim May wrote:
(We have the cameras in our area, too. In Campbell, CA, for example. My recollection from news stories is that the camera also snaps a photo of the driver, allowing reasonably positive ID. If the photo is blurred or not usable in court, the traffic charge is dropped (probably only if challenged, though). Some interesting constitutional issues, it seems to me. Namely, if Alice is driving Bob's car and is ticketed, should Bob face the points on his license? Or even criminal charges? Seems to violate our notions of scienter.)
Photo radars are common in France, too. I was told by a cop friend that no more than 20% of the photos are useable (that is, show clearly the license plate for purpose of identification). And the law was modified a couple of years ago, to answer the question you ask. If somebody is driving your car, and you don't give his name, then you face the charges (pay the ticket, and get the points...). The funny thing is, when they started using photo radars, they were sending the photo with the summons. Which, of course can be a problem, as if your wife opens it and find the photo with you and and your mistress. This actually happened, and the court ruled it was a violation of privacy. Now you have to go to the police to see the photo. Needless to say, anything you would use to cover your plates is outlawed... F. -- Fabrice Planchon (ph) 609/258-6495 Applied Math Program, 210 Fine Hall (fax) 609/258-1735
Fabrice Planchon <fabrice@math.Princeton.EDU> writes:
On Thu, Sep 04, 1997 at 10:01:20AM -0700, Tim May wrote:
(We have the cameras in our area, too. In Campbell, CA, for example. My recollection from news stories is that the camera also snaps a photo of the driver, allowing reasonably positive ID. If the photo is blurred or not usable in court, the traffic charge is dropped (probably only if challenged, though). Some interesting constitutional issues, it seems to me. Namely, if Alice is driving Bob's car and is ticketed, should Bob face the points on his license? Or even criminal charges? Seems to violate our notions of scienter.)
Photo radars are common in France, too. I was told by a cop friend that no more than 20% of the photos are useable (that is, show clearly the license plate for purpose of identification). And the law was modified a couple of years ago, to answer the question you ask. If somebody is driving your car, and you don't give his name, then you face the charges (pay the ticket, and get the points...). The funny thing is, when they started using photo radars, they were sending the photo with the summons. Which, of course can be a problem, as if your wife opens it and find the photo with you and and your mistress. This actually happened, and the court ruled it was a violation of privacy. Now you have to go to the police to see the photo. Needless to say, anything you would use to cover your plates is outlawed...
I believe in New York State the car owner is liable for the fine, but no one gets points off the licence based on the photo. In some jurisdictions one can get a ticket for having too much mud or dust on the licence tag, making it hard to read. P.S. Also in NYS cars have a paper sticker on the inside of the windshield listing among other things the recent mileage, the year, and the licence #. Tim's idea of using another car's tags won't work here. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
At 12:01 PM -0700 9/4/97, Ray Arachelian wrote:
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Anonymous wrote:
2) When you find one of these unattended critters along the road, wave your hand in front of it at amazing speeds until it runs out of film. (Ensure middle finger is extended.)
Depends on the kind of camera. If it's a video camera, you might be able to blind the bitch by blasting loads of IR at it which would be invisible to any donut munchers watching you.... Anyone know a source for big IR lamps?
Any way to defeat film bearing cameras?
Try near UV. Goes thru glass and exposes film, but is stopped by the human eye. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The Internet was designed | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | to protect the free world | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz@netcom.com | from hostile governments. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
At 9:03 AM -0700 9/4/97, Anonymous wrote:
Yes, rest assured that Big Brother is watching. Three CopBots have been deployed around the county to take pictures of vehicles exiting intersections after the light has turned red. These CopBots are a great boon to our prosperity and security as they free up the huminoid Cops from traffic duties so that they can better spend their time toilet plunger kicking.
Yes, they love these in Germany too. Ways to combat:
1) Wax your license plate, especially the front one.
Or smear mud on the plates. This is an old trick. (We have the cameras in our area, too. In Campbell, CA, for example. My recollection from news stories is that the camera also snaps a photo of the driver, allowing reasonably positive ID. If the photo is blurred or not usable in court, the traffic charge is dropped (probably only if challenged, though). Some interesting constitutional issues, it seems to me. Namely, if Alice is driving Bob's car and is ticketed, should Bob face the points on his license? Or even criminal charges? Seems to violate our notions of scienter.) By the way, a useful survival trick is to have a spare set of license plates available. It's not a crime to carry an old set around in one's vehicle, only to actually use them (and be caught). Sometimes these can be found at junkyards, sometimes old plates from other states don't have to be turned in. And the unscrupulous can steal plates from other cars (or switch them, though this has obvious problems if they are traceable to you!!). Sure, these plates won't be "valid," and may not have current stickers (if they're old). But if the cops are looking for your car, or even using automated plate scanners on toll roads, bridges, etc., then having some old plates from your Oregon car sure beats having the plates their computers have flagged. There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Anonymous wrote:
2) When you find one of these unattended critters along the road, wave your hand in front of it at amazing speeds until it runs out of film. (Ensure middle finger is extended.)
Depends on the kind of camera. If it's a video camera, you might be able to blind the bitch by blasting loads of IR at it which would be invisible to any donut munchers watching you.... Anyone know a source for big IR lamps? Any way to defeat film bearing cameras? =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder@sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... ======================= http://www.sundernet.com ==========================
Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com> writes:
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Anonymous wrote:
2) When you find one of these unattended critters along the road, wave your hand in front of it at amazing speeds until it runs out of film. (Ensure middle finger is extended.)
Depends on the kind of camera. If it's a video camera, you might be able to blind the bitch by blasting loads of IR at it which would be invisible to any donut munchers watching you.... Anyone know a source for big IR lamps?
Any way to defeat film bearing cameras?
A little laser aimed at the right place at the right time? (My late grandfather lost an eye in a laser accident) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
At 03:01 PM 9/4/97 -0400, Ray Arachelian wrote:
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Anonymous wrote:
2) When you find one of these unattended critters along the road, wave your hand in front of it at amazing speeds until it runs out of film. (Ensure middle finger is extended.)
Depends on the kind of camera. If it's a video camera, you might be able to blind the bitch by blasting loads of IR at it which would be invisible to any donut munchers watching you.... Anyone know a source for big IR lamps?
Any way to defeat film bearing cameras?
Depends if the camera is watched. Vaseline on the lens will blur the image, but you have to get close enough to get it there. Hard radiation will blur the film, but tends to have nasty side effects. Pain guns can cover the lens. Spray paint cans on long poles (as used by agitprop graffiti artists) are useful. (Under the cover of night...) Laser pointers hidden nearby and aimed at the lens. (About $20 at your local discount office store.) Gas or kerosine poured on the camera will make a nice tiki tourch. An air rifle or pellet gun may be quiet enough to hit the camera from a distance, breaking the internals of the camera. (A crossbow will work as well, but those may be best saved for those unmarked helicopters planting pot seeds on your property so the government can seize it later.) A magnet placed on the side of video cameras may screw up the picture. (This will only work for the metal cased cameras. You also have to use a strong magnet and get it in the right spot.) I am sure others will have useful suggestions. --- | "That'll make it hot for them!" - Guy Grand | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano@teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan@ctrl-alt-del.com|
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