Re: Bomb-making instructions....
Paul Bradley wrote:
I personally know no chemistry at all, but what would be nice is if someone who knows what they are doing wrote an "anarchists cookbook" type set of files, but this time got them right so anyone attempting any of the recipes wouldn`t be killed.
People named "Lefty" need not apply...
Huge Cajones Remailer wrote:
Paul Bradley wrote:
I personally know no chemistry at all, but what would be nice is if someone who knows what they are doing wrote an "anarchists cookbook" type set of files, but this time got them right so anyone attempting any of the recipes wouldn`t be killed.
Paul, Making explosives is very dangerous even if the recipes are right. I personally knew many kids who lost fingers, eyes and other body organs due to careless handling of homemade explosives. Probably, the important thing to do before bombmaking is to learn the safety rules. I agree with you though that certain recipes and chemicals are unsafe no matter how carefully to handle them. - Igor.
At 9:44 AM -0700 6/28/97, Lucky Green wrote:
I would urge anyone interested in explosives, but unfamiliar with them, to first read the following books before attempting any recipes out of the "Anarchist's Cookbook" and similar publications. Your extremities/eyes/health will thank you.
TM 31-210 Army Technical Manual "Improvised Munitions Handbook" TM 31-201-1 Army Technical Manual "Unconventional Warfare Devices and Techniques: Incendiaries"
Likewise, anyone interested in Assassination Politics should get ahold of the CIA's training manual for assassins and covert operatives. This manual was used extensively in training locals in Nicaragua to kill members of the democratically elected government in Nicaragua. (And Diem, and Lumumba, and Guevara, and on and on.) Interestingly, when a Pakistani (or maybe Afghani) native practiced AP on some CIA agents at the front gate of the Langley facility, the CIA then spent $5 million tracking him down, even paying $2-3 M in finders fees.
Both paperbacks can be purchased at any gun show for about $5 each.
It is available for free at any ATF field office. No, they won't ask for ID. In fact, they couldn't care less who comes by to pick up a copy.
Though I rather suspect finding the CIA's domestic field offices might be tough, so asking for a copy of the CIA's manual on assassination would be problematic. Too bad nobody has bothered yet to scan and OCR it and put it on the Web. Now _that_ would be a blow! Foreign offices of the CIA might be easier to locate. Just walk up to any embassy gate and ask to speak to the Cultural Attache. (And various CIA and DIA agents in various countries have their names published in the opposition press, the same kinds of press that Germany and other neo-fascist regimes are shutting down, a al Radikal and Integral and whatnot.) --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
At 11:02 AM -0700 6/28/97, Lucky Green wrote:
In Europe, shit has long hit the fan. The member of the German parliament under indictment for linking to the Radikal webpage is now also being prosecuted for making the charges against her public. Seems it is illegal in Germany to publicize any federal charges filed against you. The Geheime [Secret, ed.] Staats Polizei roams the German streets again. Truly scary stuff. And, yes, it can happen here.
[The defendant has a facsimile of the official court document on her webpage. Guess that's going to be another count].
"But if it saves the life of just one child!!!" We are trading away our liberty for bullshit assurances of safety, security, and protection from the Big Bad Wolf. (*) The Founders had it right when they talked about those trading freedom for security and safety deserving neither. --Tim May (* And of course the restrictions on publications of various items are really designed to protect Those in Power; thus has it always been, thus shall it always be.) There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
At 9:44 AM -0700 6/28/97, Lucky Green wrote:
I would urge anyone interested in explosives, but unfamiliar with them, to first read the following books before attempting any recipes out of the "Anarchist's Cookbook" and similar publications. Your extremities/eyes/health will thank you.
TM 31-210 Army Technical Manual "Improvised Munitions Handbook" TM 31-201-1 Army Technical Manual "Unconventional Warfare Devices and Techniques: Incendiaries"
See http://www.deltech.net/members/sniper/anarchy/hbook/Blkbook.txt or http://phoenix.phreebyrd.com/~nero/tth/thb_title.html for a good copy of The Terrorist's Handbook. --Steve
At 9:16 PM -0700 6/27/97, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
Huge Cajones Remailer wrote:
Paul Bradley wrote:
I personally know no chemistry at all, but what would be nice is if someone who knows what they are doing wrote an "anarchists cookbook" type set of files, but this time got them right so anyone attempting any of the recipes wouldn`t be killed.
Paul,
Making explosives is very dangerous even if the recipes are right. I personally knew many kids who lost fingers, eyes and other body organs due to careless handling of homemade explosives. Probably, the important thing to do before bombmaking is to learn the safety rules.
I agree with you though that certain recipes and chemicals are unsafe no matter how carefully to handle them.
Ironically, safety instructions for making bombs would almost certainly be lumped in with the actual formulas for explosives. (Actually, as the safe and proper handling is more critical to successful bomb-making than the mere mixture of chemicals, this is a certainty.) And, as usual, the law will probably end up being applied to people innocent of criminal intent. And the _real_ bombers will continue to learn their trade at training camps in the deserts of Sudan and Iraq, and, of course, in the various militaries. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
Tim May writes:
Ironically, safety instructions for making bombs would almost certainly be lumped in with the actual formulas for explosives. (Actually, as the safe and proper handling is more critical to successful bomb-making than the mere mixture of chemicals, this is a certainty.)
Yes. Instructions like "Do not drop bomb" and "run away after you light the fuse" are enabling technologies which allow terrorists to ply their trade. By banning all safety instructions related to explosives, we will save American lives and make the world safe for our children.
At 11:16 PM 6/27/97 -0500, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
Making explosives is very dangerous even if the recipes are right. I personally knew many kids who lost fingers, eyes and other body organs due to careless handling of homemade explosives. Probably, the important thing to do before bombmaking is to learn the safety rules.
I would urge anyone interested in explosives, but unfamiliar with them, to first read the following books before attempting any recipes out of the "Anarchist's Cookbook" and similar publications. Your extremities/eyes/health will thank you. TM 31-210 Army Technical Manual "Improvised Munitions Handbook" TM 31-201-1 Army Technical Manual "Unconventional Warfare Devices and Techniques: Incendiaries" Both paperbacks can be purchased at any gun show for about $5 each. You also should take a look at the "ATF - Explosives Law and Regulation" aka "The Orange Book". It is available for free at any ATF field office. No, they won't ask for ID. In fact, they couldn't care less who comes by to pick up a copy. Be safe, --Lucky Green <shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. DES is dead! Please join in breaking RC5-56. http://rc5.distributed.net/
At 10:10 AM 6/28/97 -0700, Tim May wrote:
Likewise, anyone interested in Assassination Politics should get ahold of the CIA's training manual for assassins and covert operatives. [...]
Until that manual becomes available, the reader may wish to take a look at: "Intelligence Tactics, Techniques and Procedures (TTP) for Operations Other Than War (OOTW)" G2/S2 82nd Airborne Division Guidelines and Lessons Learned About $7 at the gun show.
(And various CIA and DIA agents in various countries have their names published in the opposition press, the same kinds of press that Germany and other neo-fascist regimes are shutting down, a al Radikal and Integral and whatnot.)
In Europe, shit has long hit the fan. The member of the German parliament under indictment for linking to the Radikal webpage is now also being prosecuted for making the charges against her public. Seems it is illegal in Germany to publicize any federal charges filed against you. The Geheime [Secret, ed.] Staats Polizei roams the German streets again. Truly scary stuff. And, yes, it can happen here. [The defendant has a facsimile of the official court document on her webpage. Guess that's going to be another count]. --Lucky Green <shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. DES is dead! Please join in breaking RC5-56. http://rc5.distributed.net/
Lucky Green <shamrock@netcom.com> writes:
I would urge anyone interested in explosives, but unfamiliar with them, to first read the following books before attempting any recipes out of the "Anarchist's Cookbook" and similar publications. Your extremities/eyes/health will thank you.
TM 31-210 Army Technical Manual "Improvised Munitions Handbook" TM 31-201-1 Army Technical Manual "Unconventional Warfare Devices and Techniques: Incendiaries"
Both paperbacks can be purchased at any gun show for about $5 each.
You also should take a look at the "ATF - Explosives Law and Regulation" aka "The Orange Book".
It is available for free at any ATF field office. No, they won't ask for ID. In fact, they couldn't care less who comes by to pick up a copy.
How about running them through a scanner and putting them on a Web site? [For various reason I'm typing this under Windows 95. Yikes! :-) ] --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
At 01:44 PM 6/28/97 -0400, Jeremiah A Blatz <jer+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
Just for the record, _The Anarchist's Cookbook_ is full of purposefully dangerous misinformation. It is written so that if you follow enough of its recipies, you *will* kill yourself.
No surprise - a book on bombmaking has so little to do with anarchism* that you'd expect the author to either be clueless or spreading disinformation, so there's no reason to expect his bomb-making info to be correct either. [*Ok, there have been a few anarchists who've thrown bombs, and anarchists who _like_ that sort of thing aren't going to pay much attention to the government's opinion on whether bombs ar cool, and if there are many chemically clueless bomb-loving anarchists, some of them _might_ get their books published before Darwin removes them from the meme pool, but the couple of books like that strike me as either deliberate disinformation, or else as particularly negligent attempts at making a fast buck from rebellious teenagers.] # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts@ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list or news, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)
Lucky Green <shamrock@netcom.com> writes:
At 11:16 PM 6/27/97 -0500, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
Making explosives is very dangerous even if the recipes are right. I personally knew many kids who lost fingers, eyes and other body organs due to careless handling of homemade explosives. Probably, the important thing to do before bombmaking is to learn the safety rules.
I would urge anyone interested in explosives, but unfamiliar with them, to first read the following books before attempting any recipes out of the "Anarchist's Cookbook" and similar publications. Your extremities/eyes/health will thank you.
Just for the record, _The Anarchist's Cookbook_ is full of purposefully dangerous misinformation. It is written so that if you follow enough of its recipies, you *will* kill yourself. I suggest old archives or the newsgroup rec.pyrotechnics, which, until is self- censored itself, provided excellent safety advice as well as how to make things go boom. I'd imagine that there is still a wealth of information about safety. BTW, when making nitrocellulose, ice baths are your friends, cold water will just not do. HTH, Jer "standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole
Jeremiah A Blatz <jer+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
Just for the record, _The Anarchist's Cookbook_ is full of purposefully dangerous misinformation. It is written so that if you follow enough of its recipies, you *will* kill yourself. I suggest old archives or the newsgroup rec.pyrotechnics, which, until is self- censored itself, provided excellent safety advice as well as how to make things go boom. I'd imagine that there is still a wealth of information about safety.
I have the cookbook and can post it on a Web site. A while back I asked Jim Bell if he'd be willing to write short comments, like "this is bullshit" and "this is dangerous" and "here's a better way to make it stink". If anyone knows chemistry and isn't in jail yet, please consider doing this wortwhile project. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
At 06:54 PM 6/28/97 EDT, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
Jeremiah A Blatz <jer+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
Just for the record, _The Anarchist's Cookbook_ is full of purposefully dangerous misinformation. It is written so that if you follow enough of its recipies, you *will* kill yourself. I suggest old archives or the newsgroup rec.pyrotechnics, which, until is self- censored itself, provided excellent safety advice as well as how to make things go boom. I'd imagine that there is still a wealth of information about safety.
I have the cookbook and can post it on a Web site. A while back I asked Jim Bell if he'd be willing to write short comments, like "this is bullshit" and "this is dangerous" and "here's a better way to make it stink". If anyone knows chemistry and isn't in jail yet, please consider doing this wortwhile project.
I can give one minor example from memory... The recipe for Nitrogen Tri-Iodide has four steps to it. The first two make the proper chemical. The second two are drying agents that will make the stuff blow up in your face. The book has a number of other risky recipes. It also contains the infamous (false) "Banana Peel" rumor about how smoking banana peels can get you high. A recipe for LSD that is pretty poor. A bunch of other bogus drug stuff... There are much better sources for info on explosives. The government publications do a pretty good job. (I have seen a few on "how to make explosives from common items" and the like. Training for military personnel trapped behind enemy lines and traing local governments for uprisings and the like... The CIA even did a comic book for distribution in South America. --- | "That'll make it hot for them!" - Guy Grand | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano@teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan@ctrl-alt-del.com|
At 11:16 PM -0500 6/27/97, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
Making explosives is very dangerous even if the recipes are right. I personally knew many kids who lost fingers, eyes and other body organs due to careless handling of homemade explosives. Probably, the important thing to do before bombmaking is to learn the safety rules.
I agree with you though that certain recipes and chemicals are unsafe no matter how carefully to handle them.
Especially chlorates, perchlorates, fulminates and azides. You want something which isn't shock sensitive. If someone is going to write such a book it should include good instructions for fuel-air explosives. These can be little more than a container of gasoline atop a small hig-explosive charge to atomisze, disperse and ignite the fuel. They can produce incredible pressure waves from relatively small amounts of material. --Steve PGP mail preferred Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear | tel: (702) 658-2654 CEO | fax: (702) 658-2673 First ECache Corporation | 7075 West Gowan Road | Suite 2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | Internet: azur@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- I know not what instruments others may use, but as for me, give me Ecache or give me debt. SHOW ME THE DIGITS!
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