Re: rescue Mrs Allen from the Feds (Re: Tim's worst nightmare.,..)
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Attila T. Hun <attila@hun.org> writes:
Mrs. Allen, 51, has attracted the sympathy of many neighbors, and her case has become a rallying point for those who compare it to Ruby Ridge and Waco as an example of overzealous law enforcement.
she needs more than sympathy, she needs some action!
I'm wondering ... surely all those militia types are watching this case -- wouldn't it be a real coo to intervene and rescue Mrs Allen :-)
Let's talk tactics ... how would you disable the Feds without killing Mrs Allen -- helicopter and nerve gas -- well organised get away?
Question: Are the Feds involved, or is it just the State of Illinois? If the Feds really are involved, what possible justification do they have? The best way to help Mrs. Allen is to find ways for her to communicate with the civilized world. Maybe use a model airplane deliver a CB? Or a spread spectrum radio? Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNFaN+5aWtjSmRH/5AQGvDwf8CswVCjME+ISU3Mw/8BqChhkpZnNs7hor 0hHJZ/TgtkCcEKJCL8tTD+SgMhFTXRHVPVQRBUQ2flk/bYUsDQF/UJ/D0RhK/0yX 6M0ErILUmVIo9Qn1PJzRebMYdobzIo+Td0gqB5ET4kswGZphd+Oa9KBq20FHhXxr /uXz2ED0BaVCGLK+Fg3rmxiMg5OFWMzhjESTBkM0X9jhjFIQqqA+yniLkfDRoau6 yNonHOklxf/+VoxhD9mz8KtWc7r0AaHi05bjBJCzUpp4t14NuO1Bk9zUbhgkNIps cjAd3MVPAdpTVpw0okw2Z4SR4xV/E++Hap9e0Sf9mNB7oKiRB4v75g== =bbsb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <506b11017bc6059ad972be3d6a7eeaa4@squirrel>, on 10/29/97 at 03:55 AM, Secret Squirrel <nobody@secret.squirrel.owl.de> said:
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Attila T. Hun <attila@hun.org> writes:
Mrs. Allen, 51, has attracted the sympathy of many neighbors, and her case has become a rallying point for those who compare it to Ruby Ridge and Waco as an example of overzealous law enforcement.
she needs more than sympathy, she needs some action!
I'm wondering ... surely all those militia types are watching this case -- wouldn't it be a real coo to intervene and rescue Mrs Allen :-)
Let's talk tactics ... how would you disable the Feds without killing Mrs Allen -- helicopter and nerve gas -- well organised get away?
Question: Are the Feds involved, or is it just the State of Illinois? If the Feds really are involved, what possible justification do they have?
The best way to help Mrs. Allen is to find ways for her to communicate with the civilized world.
Maybe use a model airplane deliver a CB? Or a spread spectrum radio?
What is needed is several thousand well armed militia to go down there and send the JackBooted thugs packing. I am willing to donate my time to such a worthy cause. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNFa6B49Co1n+aLhhAQFrRwQAr7a+kE6VCz6D2tUQ8nECtw4nZJIVlOzL DIeoRWZb7vdbh5+Kqle/cOL7ZSPzMByvAFleoHPHuk7c0+ZpXzOTZUtsrztYHa+q xz505L9h54O4OIVeaSN3elxonuYlUHzbsDRO/GEN58LDWPCJ/yYspBW5bq/j31IZ bdoPL2vS0KE= =s22q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Let's talk tactics ... how would you disable the Feds without killing Mrs Allen -- helicopter and nerve gas -- well organised get away?
Question: Are the Feds involved, or is it just the State of Illinois? If the Feds really are involved, what possible justification do they have?
The best way to help Mrs. Allen is to find ways for her to communicate with the civilized world.
Maybe use a model airplane deliver a CB? Or a spread spectrum radio?
What is needed is several thousand well armed militia to go down there and send the JackBooted thugs packing. I am willing to donate my time to such a worthy cause.
that is the type of answer that gets even more people killed. what good is developing privacy software if you are going to march out and invite uncle sam to put a bullet in you? i go with the model plane. kasumi "Just because I know nothing about crypto doesn't mean I have no common sense."
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <3456BE4E.3B3D@ppw.net>, on 10/29/97 at 01:40 PM, graycastle@ppw.net said:
Let's talk tactics ... how would you disable the Feds without killing Mrs Allen -- helicopter and nerve gas -- well organised get away?
Question: Are the Feds involved, or is it just the State of Illinois? If the Feds really are involved, what possible justification do they have?
The best way to help Mrs. Allen is to find ways for her to communicate with the civilized world.
Maybe use a model airplane deliver a CB? Or a spread spectrum radio?
What is needed is several thousand well armed militia to go down there and send the JackBooted thugs packing. I am willing to donate my time to such a worthy cause.
that is the type of answer that gets even more people killed. what good is developing privacy software if you are going to march out and invite uncle sam to put a bullet in you?
i go with the model plane.
Well just exactly how do you think these types of atrocities are going to be stopped?? the LEA's in this country are going to continue to bully the citizens around until we band together and let them know that we will no longer tolerate such behavior. "It is better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees" - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNFbD649Co1n+aLhhAQHFTwP/aRuyaV2h5G051jIcf9yDTokWUn7KSD1c pGxnz2us6ljC3tFVdVCqSvdTy5/ofbHafbT2eYz83X8EVsz/zNZNnne1LPhWGy6Q vH9fVeMCK7qwPcpeOYvEm6cVhJzuDof+m1dwolB/2TKCTe3nvx0FrJq+PCS2ojxU 4tQhpOhg4AQ= =JK05 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
graycastle@ppw.net
The best way to help Mrs. Allen is to find ways for her to communicate with the civilized world.
Maybe use a model airplane deliver a CB? Or a spread spectrum radio?
What is needed is several thousand well armed militia to go down there and send the JackBooted thugs packing. I am willing to donate my time to such a worthy cause.
that is the type of answer that gets even more people killed. what good is developing privacy software if you are going to march out and invite uncle sam to put a bullet in you?
A robin hood style hack would be preferable -- rescue Mrs Allen without killing any Feds, not that they might not deserve it, but it makes for better PR. How about the model airplane to get a spread spectrum radio to Mrs Allen, followed by a suprise tank attack, or APC if the Feds have no hardware with them to touch a tank, drive right into her front room. The Gandi style walk in, in numbers walk off with Mrs Allen :-) What are they going to do, shoot 1000 unarmed citizens? This kind of tactic works quite well for tyrants who have become too civilised. Adam -- Now officially an EAR violation... Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`
Adam Back wrote:
graycastle@ppw.net
What is needed is several thousand well armed militia to go down there and send the JackBooted thugs packing. I am willing to donate my time to such a worthy cause.
that is the type of answer that gets even more people killed. what good is developing privacy software if you are going to march out and invite uncle sam to put a bullet in you?
A robin hood style hack would be preferable -- rescue Mrs Allen without killing any Feds, not that they might not deserve it, but it makes for better PR.
PR? Non-Violent? How about bombing the former site of the Murrah Federal Building in support of Ms. Roby of 1997? How much clearer and non-life threatening (for now) can a message be? Tim C. McVeigh "'Pull it, Sir.' prize winner of Cell Block 709."
On Wed, Oct 29, 1997 at 11:17:43AM +0000, Adam Back wrote:
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The Gandi style walk in, in numbers walk off with Mrs Allen :-) What are they going to do, shoot 1000 unarmed citizens?
The 100 citizens would probably be shot by Mrs Allen. -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <19971029072956.23995@bywater.songbird.com>, on 10/29/97 at 07:29 AM, Kent Crispin <kent@bywater.songbird.com> said:
On Wed, Oct 29, 1997 at 11:17:43AM +0000, Adam Back wrote:
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The Gandi style walk in, in numbers walk off with Mrs Allen :-) What are they going to do, shoot 1000 unarmed citizens?
The 100 citizens would probably be shot by Mrs Allen.
More like 1,000 citizens would be shot on orders from Jim (can believe they made that pick governor) Edgar and then blamed on Mrs Allen who also would be shot. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNFdyeI9Co1n+aLhhAQGCRAQAg4JEfEo0+GvYziWc+mkkBYafnnIdQ5Fc at6yigUnDTh025wqUAGxOrUp+V/by4bWBwVAU+JVSMiXahTNG10Y3RnIqXOxOSxl wZZk1pf+FzMPBpf84H0H/v9fMrAo2lX2gaLLKul7PERP/hN/tt+qLWqLwE5v3BJL FyMe1yQnYjg= =Ce7j -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Kent Crispin <kent@bywater.songbird.com> writes:
On Wed, Oct 29, 1997 at 11:17:43AM +0000, Adam Back wrote:
The Gandi style walk in, in numbers walk off with Mrs Allen :-) What are they going to do, shoot 1000 unarmed citizens?
The 100 citizens would probably be shot by Mrs Allen.
Heh, yeah. That's why you need to send in the spread spectrum phone first, to let her know what you're planning -- else she'll just think it's a ploy by the Feds. Adam -- Now officially an EAR violation... Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`
Adam Back writes:
Heh, yeah. That's why you need to send in the spread spectrum phone first, to let her know what you're planning -- else she'll just think it's a ploy by the Feds.
Yes - it would very embarrassing if Mrs. Allen shot holes in her would-be Cypherpunk and Militia rescuers. We need to strap Sternlight to a metal pole and thrust him through the door until we are absolutely sure she is out of bullets. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199710292133.PAA00380@wire.insync.net>, on 10/29/97 at 03:33 PM, Eric Cordian <emc@wire.insync.net> said:
Adam Back writes:
Heh, yeah. That's why you need to send in the spread spectrum phone first, to let her know what you're planning -- else she'll just think it's a ploy by the Feds.
Yes - it would very embarrassing if Mrs. Allen shot holes in her would-be Cypherpunk and Militia rescuers.
We need to strap Sternlight to a metal pole and thrust him through the door until we are absolutely sure she is out of bullets.
I'll bring the pole & duct tape!! :) - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNFe29I9Co1n+aLhhAQEdxgQAu9thKOKKaIfJYsbOC6ftVYi4vSZ/pvt6 ls2ytaPeZS8WBXKZfdOwPmBFCAZF6zwg+R+tMK6iPr1Hnn8auxDk5X+KTt4JkZhh 1jwxbieYYN0Yp+5h1Nse21tI/x6ad9qfG4pQeCcUoZModFBDAFF2R92TtzBjWhvP /XWF9vRcTzM= =gDfR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Adam Back wrote:
Kent Crispin <kent@bywater.songbird.com> writes:
On Wed, Oct 29, 1997 at 11:17:43AM +0000, Adam Back wrote:
The Gandi style walk in, in numbers walk off with Mrs Allen :-) What are they going to do, shoot 1000 unarmed citizens?
The 100 citizens would probably be shot by Mrs Allen.
Heh, yeah. That's why you need to send in the spread spectrum phone first, to let her know what you're planning -- else she'll just think it's a ploy by the Feds.
Perhaps she just wants to be left alone???
Anonymous wrote:
Adam Back wrote:
Kent Crispin <kent@bywater.songbird.com> writes:
On Wed, Oct 29, 1997 at 11:17:43AM +0000, Adam Back wrote:
The Gandi style walk in, in numbers walk off with Mrs Allen :-) What are they going to do, shoot 1000 unarmed citizens?
The 100 citizens would probably be shot by Mrs Allen.
Heh, yeah. That's why you need to send in the spread spectrum phone first, to let her know what you're planning -- else she'll just think it's a ploy by the Feds.
Perhaps she just wants to be left alone???
"We're from the CypherPunks, and we're here to help you. Aarrrgghhhh..." <thud>
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Eric Cordian -
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Kent Crispin -
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Secret Squirrel -
William H. Geiger III -
Yoshiwara Remailer