John Young wrote:

Sandy's e-mailed several of us who've sent messages about Vulis's ploy to put Sandy in a conflict-of-interest bind

It's probably worth saving accusations of censorship for the real thing What fucking planet have you been living on, shit-for-brains? We're not talking about "accusations," here. We're talking about

Did Sandy happen to mention how the evil Dr. Vulis managed to twist his impressionable young mind so that his only concern about libel is centered around his employer? Did Sandy mention why his employer went nuclear over the mention of the 'b-d' word by an individual whom his employees on the list regularly label as a troublemaker and a nut case? (Methinks they doth protest _too_ much?) Did Sandy mention that his employer is in the postion of owning the cypherpunks.com domain-name and is in a great postion to profit by controlling and/or destroying the cypherpunks list? Did Sandy mention that when his own takeover of the list (by virtue of 'moving' the subscribers into a list filtered by himself) faltered, by becoming an open joke, that one of his fellow employees called for the "killing" of the list? Did Sandy mention that the pecker-tracks of his employers minions leave a sordid trail across the whole face of this whole censorship farce? Gee, John, I wish that I had crypto software to sell, and employees who were in control of the reputation capital of the cypherpunks list. I wish that I had a domain named cypherpunks.com waiting to capitalize on the cypherpunks name to sell my crypto software. Of course, some asshole somewhere might regard this as a "ploy" to profit from creating misfortune for the cypherpunks. They might even think that I had a hand in that misfortune. posts by average list subscribers who are coming forward and speaking out about the facts surrounding the misappropriation of their posts in order to further the private interests of Sandy. We're talking about the suppression of postings which Question Authority. We're talking about shit-canning postings without informing the list, because the actions are reprehensible. We're talking about censorship which, in the censor's own words, is not based on crypto-relevancy, but a changing morass of ill-defined 'Sandy rules' (or 'Sandy Rules!', if you prefer). We're talking about robotic censorship where those who do not bend under the jackboots suppressing free speech on the cypherpunks list are auto-botted to cypherpunks-dontsaybadthingsaboutmyemployer. Your posts are usually fairly intelligent, so I have no idea why you are wasting your own reputation capital attempting to defend an inept, lame-duck censor who is too cowardly to defend his own vile actions. Instead, he declares that he has absolutely no interest in filtering out the "Make Money Fast" and "Penis-Picture" garbage for list members if he can't use his usurped-power to slam the jackboots down on any niggling detail that doesn't serve his own private interests. Cuckoo (<-- Dr. Vulis 'made' me use this name.)

John Young wrote:

Sandy's e-mailed several of us who've sent messages about Vulis's ploy to put Sandy in a conflict-of-interest bind -- a well-known attack on moderators of all kinds, not just on the net.

Now you've admitted that Sandy, ever more desperate, is grasping for allies for some future attack. And you've accused Dr. Vulis of plotting against Sandy. Tsk tsk.

What's worth admiring is how Vulis has adeptly managed to get others -- targets and witting and unwitting cohorts -- to go along with his attack, attack, attack, by opposing or supporting it. A useful lesson.

This is not the healthy kind of paranoia.

Smart dude, that Vulis, but no more so than others on the Net, say, Tim May, and in the world who've done the same elsewhere, maybe by even smarter dude(s) who provoked, angered, insulted, an unwitting Vulis, or May, to attack on behalf of ...

Tim May in the same breath as Dr. Vulis? I underestimated the level of desperation here.

But such deception is to be expected, along with feigned suprise and outrage at the unfairness of opponents fighting as dirty as one's own pure-blackhearts.

Neither I nor (I'm certain) Dr. Vulis are surprised by any of this. Who were you referring to?

Sandy's not censoring cypherpunks, nor is Vulis or May or any single person alone. As Pogo said, it's all of us, posters and lurkers and spooks, each trying to get one's way to prevail, under guise of a high principle not easily honored when the squeeze is on alone in a dark cell. Come on out Sandy, it was just a drill.

Well, he claims he's not censoring anymore. If you believe that, you're probably waiting for the Easter bunny.

It's probably worth saving accusations of censorship for the real thing, after trial usage here for what is truly nasty high-stakes global info-war gaming.

Blah blah blah blah. Bottom line is this: "Moderation" is really censorship. You can go on with this "plausible denial" all you want to, but the jig is up, so to speak. They've been caught being sneaky and deceptive with people's mail. Naughty naughty.