I want to warn you folks about how the list is run, just so you don't think that evil is a foot on toad.com. Recently the bounce messages for cypherpunks got to be over 80 megs large, largely due to my being busy. When I went to clean them and the offending messages out (only 38 addresses needed to be culled) I found a lot of bounces from the likes of AOL and MCI that were "user XXX's mail box is full..." bounces. In the past I tryed to ignore these message as it was clear that the mail boxes would get emptyed at some point. Now I have seen these messages from the same address for weeks, and combined with the number of hours it takes to cull this crud from the list has pushed me into a new policy. I am now deleteing (allmost) all addresses from the list that generate bounce messages. If you stop getting cypherpunks email the FIRST thing to do is ask the majordomo@toad.com mailbot if you are still on the list, this might looks like: To: majordomo@toad.com Subject: --text follows this line-- which yourlogin@yourhost.dom If you are NOT on the list, just subscribe again and leave it at that. Please note that many of the bounce messages came from email to (local) news group gateways, and while I try to send warning mesages, it would be better if folks maintaining such gateways made sure that bounce messages went to the local maintainers insted of me. Enjoy the list, and keep it on topic folks! ||ugh Daniel Majordomo Potty Trainer hugh@toad.com