V-Chips for the Internet
A White House press briefing today describes Clinton's plan for providing V-chips for parents to control childrens' access to the Internet. Technology is being developed for that purpose. http://jya.com/wh052297.txt Quote: MS. LEWIS: It's our understanding, and we just checked this with people at the White House who know much more about technology than all of us put together, that there is in fact technology being developed that would serve as the equivalent of a V-chip for the Internet, and we think that's what the President referred to. Q Clinton has talked before about giving parents ways to protect their children on the Internet, but has he ever before suggested the idea of a V-chip for the Internet? MS. LEWIS: Not that we know of, but we know -- as is clear, I think, from his wording, he is aware that the technology has been developing. End quote.
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At 9:56 AM -0400 5/23/97, Duncan Frissell wrote:
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The Front Lines column on the Marketplace page in Today's WSJ:
http://interactive3.wsj.com/edition/current/articles/FrontLines.htm
May 23, 1997
Entrepreneurs Become Leaders In the New World, Flores Says
I FIRST HEARD the name Fernando Flores...
I thought the Winograd/Flores book, "Understanding Computers and Cognition" was quite good, and I recommended it on the Extropians list several years back. A good description of Heidegger's "readiness to hand," which may also be characterized as "user friendliness" and "intuitiveness." I never looked at their "fascistware" product, a product category which seems to have thankfully died. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Front Lines column on the Marketplace page in Today's WSJ: http://interactive3.wsj.com/edition/current/articles/FrontLines.htm May 23, 1997 Entrepreneurs Become Leaders In the New World, Flores Says I FIRST HEARD the name Fernando Flores... Before I had the chance to check out the guy, I received an e-mail from a former top Air Force general. He mentioned he had been deeply influenced by a philosopher, business consultant and onetime political prisoner named Fernando Flores. How often do you see those descriptions on the same resume? ... Trained as an engineer, at age 28 he became finance minister in the Marxist regime of Salvador Allende in 1970. .... THEN, IN 1973, ... Mr. Flores spent three years in prison brooding over the notion of computers for communication rather than computation. ... When Amnesty International and others won his release in 1976 ... - From the German philosopher Martin Heidegger he learned ... "A human society," as he puts it, "operates through the expression of requests and promises." A business, likewise, is a collection of simultaneous conversations, and every conversation involves an act of commitment. ... Working with the computer scientist Terry Winograd, he created a product to transform computer workstations from solitary appliances into devices for tracking commitments between workers. ... "groupware." ... IF DR. FLORES becomes famous for anything, it may be for a concept of entrepreneurialism he has described in a forthcoming book from MIT Press called "Disclosing New Worlds," co-authored with the philosophers Charles Spinosa and Hubert Dreyfus. In a time of vapid values and insipid politics, they say entrepreneurs are becoming the leaders of the world. While the typical capitalist merely forecasts human needs, they argue, "the entrepreneur is the person who determines which needs will seem important." ...... DCF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM4Wh7oVO4r4sgSPhAQGe/QQAy1BF4zBPwRev/0YsUaijy9EGYy09PpYl tiDxAmzV/cH2zQO5ni3zRgS9gnpElCzud3gsMzyG1oXJhE29qC/MGRsg8HIAf49r op9WZE2ERchIQKO1wjDnsNXxMDlhy6/z9vLcdGyyvacjaQTF8xA8a/OOvlF6Bi44 Z2Yyg5ixSdU= =brqU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
A White House press briefing today describes Clinton's plan for providing V-chips for parents to control childrens' access to the Internet. Technology is being developed for that purpose.
Yeah, last I heard, SurfWatch was already selling it, even. Amazing, that - the pace of technological advancement. ;-)
At 10:29 PM -0400 5/22/97, John Young wrote:
A White House press briefing today describes Clinton's plan for providing V-chips for parents to control childrens' access to the Internet. Technology is being developed for that purpose. ... MS. LEWIS: It's our understanding, and we just checked this with people at the White House who know much more about technology than all of us put together, that there is in fact technology being developed that would serve as the equivalent of a V-chip for the Internet, and we think that's what the President referred to.
Q Clinton has talked before about giving parents ways to protect their children on the Internet, but has he ever before suggested the idea of a V-chip for the Internet?
MS. LEWIS: Not that we know of, but we know -- as is clear, I think, from his wording, he is aware that the technology has been developing.
There are three main dimensions to this "V-chip for the Internet," just as there are for the original V-chip for televisions: 1. Technology. Viability of the hardware, including cost, speed, and ability to be integrated into planned products. (In the case of televisions, satellite dish receivers, VCRs, etc., the problems are immense.) 2. Ratings and Standards. Just who will "rate" Internet sites, and is it at all feasible given the world connectivity we see? 3. Economics. How long will it take before even 5% of the nation's computers have this V-chip installed? How much will it cost? Who will bother with it? (There are lots of other issues to be addressed. I'm unpersuaded that a hardware version is any more secure than a software version...so why go to all the expense to have a _hardware_ version of what NetNanny and LittleBrother and DaddyKnowsBest already do in software? With televisions, the need for a hardware chip is related to the lack of any CPU and so on...) Could hardware-based chips be coming? At a recent meeting, John Markoff asked me if I'd heard anything about Intel's rumored contract to buy 20 million (yes, 20 _million_) keyboards with crypto features built in. I had not heard this rumor. (Since then, though, there have been rumblings that Intel is preparing to offer such keyboards, possibly with "user authentication" features (don't know what kind). This might, speculating here, be linked with the Intel-HP (and maybe Verifone, which HP is buying?) key recovery work. Conceivably, a plan to sell a large user base (20 million?) on a hardware/keyboard-based "secure commerce" solution.) I'm quite skeptical of this sort of thing happening. It will take many years to propagate such a hardware-based solution. (By the way, it hardly will satisfy the "legitimate needs of law enforcement" crowd, as I can't imagine Mobsters, terrorists, and anarchists like us adopting such a solution.) The existing base of computers is HUGE, and will persist for many years, even decades. While a lot of folks are upgrading every couple of years to the newer and faster Intel processors, an awful lot of machines remain in use for many years. (This may be true even more so in coming years...the 200 MHz MMX machines now so popular will be blazingly fast for Internet uses for many years to come...unless one is doing multimedia or serious number crunching, it is hard to imagine such a machine running out of steam for routine Net work for years to come.) In short, I don't see a hardware-based V-chip being at all useful to the interest of Big Brother. If he is pushing it, let him. There's no way, not even in Fascist America, that people can be told their machines purchased in 1997 (or 1998, or whenever this mysterious V-chip begins to be available) are no longer allowed to be used on the Net. And, as with the television V-chip, the precise crowd that "most needs" (from the nanny's point of view) the capabilities are the folks least likely to upgrade their televisions, VCRs, computers, etc. to the new and improved V-chip versions. (And as with the television V-chip, all it takes is a single non-V-chip VCR to tune in banned programs, or a single "old" 400 MHz Pentium II machine, tucked away in a closet, to bypass the Internet V-Chip.) Arggh, it's too stupid an idea for me to have written this article on. Oh well, it won't be the last such article. Expect this Internet V-Chip to get a lot of media attention. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
Tim May writes:
Could hardware-based chips be coming? At a recent meeting, John Markoff asked me if I'd heard anything about Intel's rumored contract to buy 20 million (yes, 20 _million_) keyboards with crypto features built in. I had not heard this rumor.
(Since then, though, there have been rumblings that Intel is preparing to offer such keyboards, possibly with "user authentication" features (don't know what kind). This might, speculating here, be linked with the Intel-HP (and maybe Verifone, which HP is buying?) key recovery work. Conceivably, a plan to sell a large user base (20 million?) on a hardware/keyboard-based "secure commerce" solution.)
I haven't heard anything about this rumor. However, if you look at the new USB chips being built by Cypress et al, it's not hard to imagine keyboards with ISO smart card readers built in. The USB chips contain a simple RISC core, lots of I/O pins and something like 4-8KB of FLASH or OTP memory. The incremental cost is a slot with 6 contacts for the smart card. Unlike PCMCIA, the ISO smart cards are cheap to build and easy to interface to. Schmlumberger is currently promoting it's "CryptoFlex" card which can do 1024-bit RSA sigs as well as triple-DES. I believe that it can do a 1024-bit sig in something like 20 ms. Eric
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Duncan Frissell
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John Young
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Tim May