On Fri, May 16, 1997 at 11:07:32AM -0400, Duncan Frissell wrote:

Feinstein had been a friend of his when he was on the Board of Supes and it is possible that one of the reasons he lost it during the crisis over his resignation and attempt to get back on the Board was because Feinstein was in Nepal on her honeymoon (millionaire second husband) and wasn't there to support him.

BTW, do you remember what happened to her first husband? [...]

Feinstein want to grab your guns because she is an authoritarian. Not because of any particular experiences she's had with guns.

You are in denial. Her firsthand experience with gun violence has clearly been a serious formative factor in her values and opinions. However, I agree that she has authoritarian tendencies. Furthermore, she is, in my opinion, pretty lightweight intellectually -- not quite to the Reagan level, perhaps, but (as Reagan demonstrated) one doesn't need intelligence to succeed in politics.

She has shown equal contempt for the First Amendment and the Second. She's ma woman and a ^^^^^^^^ Please translate? commie liberal. What can one expect.

While mayor of San Francisco, she indulged in a number of famous suppressions of free speech:

1) She cancelled the appearance of the Turkish Folklorico Ballet because of demonstration threats from the (no longer starving) Armenians.

2) She tried to ban the showing of whatever that dumb New York gang movie was after a stabbing at one of the theaters showing it.

3) She pressured a clothing store to pull its billboard ad campaign "Feinstyle" which featured a (fully clothed) reclining, look-alike model wearing her sort of scarf and business attire.

Oh, give me a break, Duncan. These are absolutely pathetic examples. Much more indicative of her "caliber", I think, was her mind-numbing efforts to get a new stadium built. ... -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html

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Dan White committed suicide, after a while. He probably died sooner than the state could have killed him, with appeals and all. Anyway, Feinstein has had a fair amount of first hand experience with gun violence -- more than most people on this list. Her stand on gun control is probably the most principled and honest one she has made.

Dan White, San Francisco Supervisor and killer of Mayor Moscone and Harvey Milk (1978) committed suicide after he had been released from serving his 5 years and 2 months maximum sentence for manslaughter. (Depression which made him incapable of forming the specific intent required to be guilty of murder.) Feinstein had been a friend of his when he was on the Board of Supes and it is possible that one of the reasons he lost it during the crisis over his resignation and attempt to get back on the Board was because Feinstein was in Nepal on her honeymoon (millionaire second husband) and wasn't there to support him. [I may be partially to blame as well. I was living in Dan White's district (the oppressed white working class part of SF) at the time of his original election. He dropped by the house and solicited my vote. I voted for him, in fact. And he certainly turned out to be a supporter of the revolutionary aspirations of his community. The least disappointing politician I ever voted for.] Feinstein want to grab your guns because she is an authoritarian. Not because of any particular experiences she's had with guns. She has shown equal contempt for the First Amendment and the Second. She's ma woman and a commie liberal. What can one expect. While mayor of San Francisco, she indulged in a number of famous suppressions of free speech: 1) She cancelled the appearance of the Turkish Folklorico Ballet because of demonstration threats from the (no longer starving) Armenians. 2) She tried to ban the showing of whatever that dumb New York gang movie was after a stabbing at one of the theaters showing it. 3) She pressured a clothing store to pull its billboard ad campaign "Feinstyle" which featured a (fully clothed) reclining, look-alike model wearing her sort of scarf and business attire. Her current humorous attempt to ban "bomb plans" from the Net is just part of the pattern. [Humorous because such bans went out the door with Gutenberg about 500 years ago.] Her administration also attempted to ban handgun sales in San Franciso but because California gun nuts had long ago enacted one of the state preemption laws that the NRA used to push, the courts threw her ban out. [These laws say that only the state government can regulate guns.] If I were her, I'd probably "fear the revolutionary justice of the people" as well. [If you've ever seen film of these female congresscritters brandishing assault rifles at a dog and pony show where they are supposed to examine these "weapons of war", you'd certainly agree that *they* shouldn't be allowed to handle guns.] DCF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQCVAgUBM3x4L4VO4r4sgSPhAQGTigP/RBv4Ab9TukW7fV8ecAjc3kuCsYnkrBRw ltnDGNCWFoyI9rMtS3l2E3l+Iz/XD5doLwzVohnUgZnbeqQ4qezV2bOUiK0N06ZO V0IEUI3RBezQskHt7zBx23Ej75awE3B5l6OtmnyH0TzoUqay16+o0jmUMHkdYjVM gIeVulOnB24= =7Go8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Fri, 16 May 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:

Yes - Armenians are censorous scum. I'm sorry the Turks didn't get Ray Arachelian's grandparents.

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