From: "Richard F. Dutcher" What's your point? Got a principle that *hasn't* been used/abused? .................................................. The original statement I made was in response to Richard Moore, who was wondering out loud why someone else on this list was "on the wrong side"; I remarked in essence that he likewise is seemingly on that side, as cryptography, in its development, is designed to serve the purposes of individuals in disproportion to governmental control over it. I'm not assuming that "privacy and protection from arbitrary power are solely libertarian concerns" either. Yet I don't need to "check out the ACLU and Amnesty International ..." to understand the many possibilities and dangers. My remarks were intended to indicate that it isn't necessary to inspect the varying degrees of comparative corruption or betterment in any of the institutions which these political arguments encourage; if you understand full well the principle involved, or what it is that is "wrong", then it shouldn't be too difficult to see the similar impropriety wherever it becomes manifest. .. Blanc