Declan answers in the affirmative that, yes, nearly all of the examples I cited are indeed crimes. As I well knew, which is why I presented them. (The Jock Sturges case was in SF, the "little girls in leotards" case was only a few years ago, etc.) My point really was not to ask if the examples are illegal but to point out the "thoughtcrime" nature of making it a felony to draw pictures of naked children, when clearly no actual child was ever involved, when no actual person could have been the victim of an actual crime. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."