RE: Postcard Debates
If everyone just encrypted their messages then no suspicions would be raised regarding the use of encryption. Most people use envelopes, plain and simple -- and as a result no one questions what they are hiding. It's understood that mail is private and therefore people have a right to seal it in an envelope and not worry about people tampering with it. On the same note, there are federal regulations and penalties (in the U.S. anyway) for tampering with mail and interrupting the delivery of it. The same laws should apply to email. ____________________________________________________ Jamie R. Wilson -----Original Message----- From: Robert Wenzler [mailto:rwenzler@usachoice.com] Sent: Thursday, 10 December, 1998 13:56 To: Mbishop645@aol.com Cc: maven@weirdness.com; hab@gamegirlz.com; Cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: Re: Mbishop645@aol.com wrote:
HaB wrote: <snip>
That's a good place to begin, though. "Would you send a letter to someone without an envelope?" "Then why not put your email in the electronic equivalent of one?"
balance.
Would I send a letter to someone without an envelope? One word: postcard.
Ahh, but would you tape a check for your phone bill to a postcard? Other than writing a greeting to someone what else do you use a postcard for?
No, I would not tape a phone bill check to a postcard. There is the chance for it to fall off. There is different methods of sending mail for different levels of security and functionality. Some people make it obvious what is inside an envelope. (who would not recognize a Christmas card from the envelope?) Others make it as bland and normal as possible to have it go by without much notice. It all depends on how secure you want it. Some things you can do with what amounts to postcard security. What amount of security do you want for your email? Would you be willing to do something extra for that security? This type of question is up to each person. How much risk is the person willing to take. Each person has the responsibility to understand what the risks are and to decide what risks they are willing to take.
"Wilson, Jamie (J.R.)" wrote:
If everyone just encrypted their messages then no suspicions would be raised regarding the use of encryption. Most people use envelopes, plain and simple -- and as a result no one questions what they are hiding. It's understood that mail is private and therefore people have a right to seal it in an envelope and not worry about people tampering with it. On the same note, there are federal regulations and penalties (in the U.S. anyway) for tampering with mail and interrupting the delivery of it. The same laws should apply to email.
Right. If everyone used encryption, there would not as much public debate about it. For now, it is not commonly used and viewed as secrative. Now for a general question to all that may read this: How much are you willing to do something to change the laws? However much people are willing to stick up for this issue is the amount things could change.
This would open the door for the USPS to charge for each email sent. The same rules? No. Based on those rules, but not the same rules. The same rules would slow email down considerably also, wouldn't they???<g> Reeza! At 08:41 AM 12/11/98 -0500, Wilson, Jamie (J.R.) wrote:
If everyone just encrypted their messages then no suspicions would be raised regarding the use of encryption. Most people use envelopes, plain and simple -- and as a result no one questions what they are hiding. It's understood that mail is private and therefore people have a right to seal it in an envelope and not worry about people tampering with it. On the same note, there are federal regulations and penalties (in the U.S. anyway) for tampering with mail and interrupting the delivery of it. The same laws should apply to email.
____________________________________________________ Jamie R. Wilson
-----Original Message----- From: Robert Wenzler [mailto:rwenzler@usachoice.com] Sent: Thursday, 10 December, 1998 13:56 To: Mbishop645@aol.com Cc: maven@weirdness.com; hab@gamegirlz.com; Cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: Re:
Mbishop645@aol.com wrote:
HaB wrote: <snip>
That's a good place to begin, though. "Would you send a letter to someone without an envelope?" "Then why not put your email in the electronic equivalent of one?"
balance.
Would I send a letter to someone without an envelope? One word: postcard.
Ahh, but would you tape a check for your phone bill to a postcard? Other than writing a greeting to someone what else do you use a postcard for?
No, I would not tape a phone bill check to a postcard. There is the chance for it to fall off.
There is different methods of sending mail for different levels of security and functionality. Some people make it obvious what is inside an envelope. (who would not recognize a Christmas card from the envelope?) Others make it as bland and normal as possible to have it go by without much notice.
It all depends on how secure you want it. Some things you can do with what amounts to postcard security.
What amount of security do you want for your email? Would you be willing to do something extra for that security?
This type of question is up to each person. How much risk is the person willing to take. Each person has the responsibility to understand what the risks are and to decide what risks they are willing to take.
On Sat, 12 Dec 1998, Reeza! wrote:
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:50:57 +1000 From: Reeza! <howree@cable.navy.mil> To: "cypherpunks@toad.com" <cypherpunks@toad.com> Subject: RE: Postcard Debates
This would open the door for the USPS to charge for each email sent. The same rules? No. Based on those rules, but not the same rules. The same rules would slow email down considerably also, wouldn't they???<g>
Reeza!
Funny you should mention the USPS and email. I was browsing through the latest issue of PC WEEK (12-07-98), and noticed the following paragraph in Spencer Katt's column "Rumor Central" on page 178 - "A self-proclaimed 'project mis-manager' was chatting with a buddy who's done some development work for the U.S. Postal Service. His pal was talking about a new project in which the USPS will accept electronic documents, merge them with a mailing list, print them at the post office branch closest to the destination of each document's recipient and deliver them for less than the price of a snail mail stamp. The kicker: Microsoft is considering an add-in that will put a USPS 'Mail' button in Office 2000 for directly linking to the service." it's pure evil. Regards, Ken Williams Packet Storm Security http://www.Genocide2600.com/~tattooman/ E.H.A.P. Head of Operations http://www.ehap.org/ ehap@ehap.org NC State CS Dept http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/ jkwilli2@unity.ncsu.edu PGP DSS/DH/RSA Keys http://www4.ncsu.edu/~jkwilli2/pgpkey/ ___________________________________________________________________ Get Your Email Sniffed and Decrypted for Free at http://www.nsa.gov
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