Re: KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary... (fwd)
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From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@amaranth.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 97 20:33:41 -0500 Subject: Re: KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary... (fwd)
Every bill that *is not* passed by congress is just that much more freedom that is saved. If all the bills passed by congress over the past 100yrs. could all be repealed no one would miss them in the least (well no one except the STATEST).
Yeah,
Blacks could go back to being niggers. Women could go back to being barefoot and pregnant etc...
Talk about statest.
I don't know where you get the above from?
Constitutional Amendments are general passed by Congress. Hence, your statement taken literaly is advocating a great deal of good that has come from such actions.
I supose that your statest brainwashing has convinced you that such social issues could have only been resolved by Federal intervention. Quite the contrary is true. Any laws passed by congress in these areas were brought about *because* society was already moving in those directions not the other way around.
I was a small boy in the 60's in and around Houston. I remember what it was like before and after the desegregation that took place in the mid-60's when I started elementary. I can promise you from personal experience there were still seperate washrooms and fountains. Sweeney, Tx. still had a sign on Interstate 90 that said (and I quote) "If you are black don't let the sun set on you in Sweeney." (the sign was on private property adjacent to the interstate I found out years later) As to a little modern social commentary. Ride the city bus in your town for 1 month each day. During that time keep track of where people sit. Would you like to explain why the majority of blacks still sit in the back of the bus? And for those who are white with real cajones, walk into a black bar around 1AM on a Sunday.
If someone is going to descriminate on the basis of race or sex or any other criteria they are going to do so reguardless of what laws are passed in DC.
Absolutely, as is their Constitutionaly protected right. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND EVERY OTHER FORM OF SOCIAL AND LEGAL INSTITUTION SHOULD NOT EVER, PERIOD. Private individuals and companies should, and can, discriminate to their hearts content. I personaly wouldn't deal with a business that I knew a priori discriminated against employees or customers based on sex, religion, etc. as a matter of standard policy. I suspect that most others with 2 halves of a clue to rub together would refuse as well. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage@ssz.com
On Tue, 13 May 1997, Jim Choate wrote:
And for those who are white with real cajones, walk into a black bar around 1AM on a Sunday.
I walked _through_ the housing projects in San Francisco at ~3:30 am on a Sunday morning. Not only did I make it out alive, I made it out with a couple of ice cold beers the enterprising homeboys hanging out at the other side felt compelled to give me, since I turned down what they originally offered me as a token of their friendship. [Professional socializer. Don't try this at home. Or if you do, don't blame me if you get hurt or killed.]
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I walked _through_ the housing projects in San Francisco at ~3:30 am on a Sunday morning. ...
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199705140116.UAA23579@einstein.ssz.com>, on 05/13/97 at 07:16 PM, Jim Choate <ravage@EINSTEIN.ssz.com> said:
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From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@amaranth.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 97 20:33:41 -0500 Subject: Re: KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary... (fwd)
Every bill that *is not* passed by congress is just that much more freedom that is saved. If all the bills passed by congress over the past 100yrs. could all be repealed no one would miss them in the least (well no one except the STATEST).
Yeah,
Blacks could go back to being niggers. Women could go back to being barefoot and pregnant etc...
Talk about statest.
I don't know where you get the above from?
Constitutional Amendments are general passed by Congress. Hence, your statement taken literaly is advocating a great deal of good that has come from such actions.
Well I was not thinking of Constitutional Amendments when I made my orriginal statement as they require ratification by the States to become law. After thinking on it awhile though I think it would be vailid to include some of them. I don't have a copy of the Constitution handy so I will try to address them from memory. Voting Amendments: If I recall right there was nothing in the constitution that prevented women from voting. This was done through state law. I beleive with the growing support of the sufferget movemnet in the country at the time that this issue would have been resolved either at the state level or through SC rulling that the states were acting unconstitionally. I beleive that this is how the Jim Crow and other state voting laws were abolished. I do think that droping the voting age from 21 to 18 was a good thing. If you are old enough to fight and die for your country you should be old enough to vote for/against the bastards that are getting you killed. Anti-Discrimination Amendments: While I think that it was a good thing to abolish State enforced discrimination I do not like the intrusion into the private sector that has been a result. I beleive that there is a "right of association" that every individule has. I should be able to determin who I associate with on whatever basis I chose to make that determinination. I could go on for pages on this subject but I beleive that overall such legislation has hurt the Black community more than it has helped it.
I supose that your statest brainwashing has convinced you that such social issues could have only been resolved by Federal intervention. Quite the contrary is true. Any laws passed by congress in these areas were brought about *because* society was already moving in those directions not the other way around.
I was a small boy in the 60's in and around Houston. I remember what it was like before and after the desegregation that took place in the mid-60's when I started elementary. I can promise you from personal experience there were still seperate washrooms and fountains. Sweeney, Tx. still had a sign on Interstate 90 that said (and I quote) "If you are black don't let the sun set on you in Sweeney." (the sign was on private property adjacent to the interstate I found out years later)
I never questioned that such things went on. Much of this was enforced by law which was wrong.
As to a little modern social commentary. Ride the city bus in your town for 1 month each day. During that time keep track of where people sit. Would you like to explain why the majority of blacks still sit in the back of the bus?
Well since I haven't rode the bus in years I really can't confirm or deny this. I don't recall this when I rode the L and buses in Chicago but then again it was not somthing I really paid attention to. (Personaly I prefer riding towrads the back of the bus but it does not have the stigma associated with it that it may for others).
And for those who are white with real cajones, walk into a black bar around 1AM on a Sunday.
Heh, I do this quite often. :) As an avid Jazz & Blues fan and so-so Corrnet player I have frequented "black" bars in Chicago, KC, St. Louis, Houston, & New Orleans. I never experinced any problems outside of the normal things that happen if you spend enough time in the bars. I also consider myself a fairly good pool player which tends to bring me into "black" bars and pools halls on a regular basis. Now if you are talking of some hole-in-the-wall right around the corner from the projects then no I do not frequent such places late at night but I doubt that many middle class black do either. Well there was an after hours joint I used to go to on Galviston but stoped going after the guy I was talking to got his kneecap blown off. I decided it was much wiser just to get a carryout at 2am. :)
If someone is going to descriminate on the basis of race or sex or any other criteria they are going to do so reguardless of what laws are passed in DC.
Absolutely, as is their Constitutionaly protected right. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND EVERY OTHER FORM OF SOCIAL AND LEGAL INSTITUTION SHOULD NOT EVER, PERIOD. Private individuals and companies should, and can, discriminate to their hearts content. I personaly wouldn't deal with a business that I knew a priori discriminated against employees or customers based on sex, religion, etc. as a matter of standard policy. I suspect that most others with 2 halves of a clue to rub together would refuse as well.
Absolutly. I have always beleived that the only color that truely matters in this country is green. If a company or indivdule does not ingage in a policy that you support then vote with your wallet. This brings me back to my orriginal message. Things did not start to change in this country until the Black community, with the support of many whites, rallied together and refused to accept the status quo. This is why things started to change back in the 60's not because of legislation from DC. The polititions were merly jumping on the bandwagon. - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii@amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: It's OS/2, Jim, but not OS/2 as we know it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Registered User E-Secure v1.1 ES000000 iQCVAwUBM3lBTY9Co1n+aLhhAQFSjAP9HwSzeQev9/qlw5tcb6LVBuxC5gXtyVoK XLn49KuYTC6BmYlupF4Ck+yqirfZGSXIJyyZxVPHbIAPPfeH1FbaWhPEOua9J3MB AAL67V3VID0nlLHV3WJ9ni1dn8++/KX/A0wQ8I7Ptz0lEsxywt9AKzJzFNaN0F8N uFTM5pSW4gk= =h3iH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
William H. Geiger III wrote:
Jim Choate <ravage@EINSTEIN.ssz.com> said:
As to a little modern social commentary. Ride the city bus in your town for 1 month each day. During that time keep track of where people sit. Would you like to explain why the majority of blacks still sit in the back of the bus?
Well since I haven't rode the bus in years I really can't confirm or deny this. I don't recall this when I rode the L and buses in Chicago but then
I actually did ride buses some time ago. Haven't noticed anything like what Prof. Choate suggests. - Igor.
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