-> What a sell-out (literally). Will these guys also support the government's right to conduct random house-to-house searches if they're promised a piece of the booty? And Clipper has ALWAYS been "voluntary" (at least so far), so that part of the deal is no victory at all. With friends like these... --Dave. <- ()() As originally conceived by the administration, Clipper would be the only advanced encryption technology that could be sold by U.S. firms overseas. ()() Yeah, real "voluntary." More government controled, distributed, surveiled monopolies. Reminds me of ma bell. Western electric manufactures the phones that everyone HAS to buy. Sounds like AT&T has found out that turn about is fair play. They are stabbing the very system that gave them their boost in the back in many ways. (Sigh) I do have to admit however, I have one of those heavy western electric phones on my desk. It must be 12 years old or something and it has out lived all the other phones I have ever bought. I'm sort of fond of the heavy clunky feel it has too. Not like these cheap AT&T Spielzeug that aren't heavy enough to hold on to the desk when you stretch the cord. :) -uni- (Dark)