EITHER YOU are very thin skin or this is a mock tirade. IF you want to know what I think ask. DOn't assume or put words in my mouth. I know marines are trained to take orders...So LIGHTEN UP *-). The END..\ ]Wayne On Tue, 19 Apr 1994 SGT=DARREN=S.=HARLOW%ISB%MCTSSA@nwsfallbrook3.nwac.sea06.navy.mil wrote:

Wayne, I am sorry that my being on this list is offensive to you. I joined this list to learn about cryptography. If anything, I would think that you would want to help a new person get up to speed. If you can't grow up and treat other people like human beings, maybe you ought to take yourself off of the list and go play with your private key by yourself.

My job is important to me. Learning about cryptography is going to help me protect my systems and my messages. I have no desire to eavesdrop on what you or anyone else is doing on this list. I merely want to learn, and possibly contribute to the threads on the list. I have received several responses from people on the list and really appreciate that. I hope this helps to clarify my position on this list.

Sgt Darren Harlow - Computer Security MCTSSA, Camp Pendleton, USMC Internet: harlow%isb%mctssa@nwsfallbrook3.nwac.sea06.navy.mil or another less reliable & slower: harlow@mqg1.usmc.mil Voice: Comm: (619) 725-2970 DSN (Autovon): 365-2970 Fax: Comm: (619) 725-9512 DSN (Autovon): 365-9512 PGP Public key available upon request "The views expressed are my own, and always will be..."

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On Apr 19, 6:50am, SGT=DARREN=S.=HARLOW%ISB%MCTSSA@nwsfallbrook3.nwac wrote:

Subject: re: Sgt Russell

Who is Sgt Russell? The person who started this thread (Wayne Q Jones) should read his messages more carefully. I believe he saw my response to Sgt. Harlow's information request and didn't read it carefully: I work for Silicon Graphics, not the USMC.

Wayne, I am sorry that my being on this list is offensive to you. I joined this list to learn about cryptography. [text elided]

Sgt. Harlow, Wayne Jones speaks only for himself. I speak only for myself. Your .sig line declares that you know you only speak for yourself, too, and I find that declaration admirable. You are certainly welcome to participate in the discussions here. Bear in mind that there _are_ a range of political opinions here, ranging from radical libertarian (me and quite a few others) to various flavors of political authoritarian (a minor subset, I think). I suspect - I do not know the fellow - that Mr. Jones is undergoing short spasms of Poor Impulse Control, his being an immediate anti-authoritarian reaction that isn't taking into account that you are an individual acting on your own initiative. To put it gently, I'm not fond of authoritarian organizations... especially government ones. However, I'm ex-military, myself, and this might be what helps me moderate my approach to particular people. You will find that issues of encryption and data protection are enormously _political_ issues. That is, their application profoundly alters what it means to live amonst other people. You may be somewhat - understandably - puzzled at the reactions of certain people on the list, and wonder what all the fuss is about. Please don't be put off further enquiry! You should consider, if you haven't already done it, reading some of the excellent cypherpunks political pieces by list participants such as Timothy May, Duncan Frissell, Sandy Sandfort and others. You might also take at Chuck Hammill's "From Crossbows to Cryptography". Even if you don't agree with the views expressed therein, I would lay money on the bet that you will know far more about the broader issues of cryptography and data security than will your nominal superiors.

If anything, I would think that you would want to help a new person get up to speed. If you can't grow up and treat other people like human beings, maybe you ought to take yourself off of the list and go play with your private key by yourself.

You have my agreement on this.

My job is important to me. Learning about cryptography is going to help me protect my systems and my messages. I have no desire to eavesdrop on what you or anyone else is doing on this list. I merely want to learn, and possibly contribute to the threads on the list. I have received several responses from people on the list and really appreciate that. I hope this helps to clarify my position on this list.

Your motivations seem clear enough to me. Dig in! Enjoy yourself here, and I look forward to your participation. I'm sure I'm not the only list participant who would go further, and elicit your _active_ participation. It would be a treat to know, from a solid source such as yourself, how routine security issues are handled in an operational military environment. Thanks for your time, Russell

Sgt Darren Harlow - Computer Security MCTSSA, Camp Pendleton, USMC

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