If the info is on the card, follow the refrigerator magnet idea if you don't want them to cash your cheque. Or do as the Sarge did. Then, instead of having a record that you purchased Pentouse Letters on April 14 at 10:33 pm in Mac's Milk on the corner of Broadway and 110th, they have a record of your withdrawal of 50 bucks from the atm and a picture in their video database as you did the withdrawal. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. [Deletions] If the info is in the database, and it is (even though _this_ pos terminal may not have access to it) then - well, if you object to this, keep up with cp and other fora, get yourself some fake or anonymous id's (?), write code, use pgp, become judgement proof, move and don't set up forwarding addresses, have your id killed, etc. Bill Garland, whose .sig just vanished <- What might be really useful is a list of the different measures used on all the states ID's. For example: Maryland uses a magnetic strip, Digitized Photo and a bar code. All that is printed on a credit card like card and not laminated. Military ID's are green and white paper with a polaroid and a signiture, normal lamination. Illinois is a normal lamination with a complete photo within, no bar code or strip, no digitized photo record. Anyone want to further the list? I wouldn't mind compiling the information. What seems key and most attractive to those who are willing to go through the trouble, is identifying the states that use limited measures, espeically avoiding the magnetic strip and digitized photo states, and getting your license(s) in the states that are "behind the times." -uni- (Dark)
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Then, instead of having a record that you purchased Pentouse Letters on April 14 at 10:33 pm in Mac's Milk on the corner of Broadway and 110th, they have a record of your withdrawal of 50 bucks from the atm and a picture in their video database as you did the withdrawal. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
I had this thought earlier today: What if the infamous "THEY" want to track your actions. They have reason to believe you live in Chicago and just bought a gun to take back home. This being illegal they would like to nail you. You, however, have read this list and are a bit on the "shady" side of the law and bought the gun with cash and a fake name/id. Safe at last, or are you? What if "they" analyzed all the ATM machines in that general area and got a report of everyone who withdrew Gun_Price + 0-to-100 dollars. (Spending money). They could narrow it down and eventually, since they suspect you anyway, get your pix from the ATM video camera. Take this to the gun man and you're id'd. My point? Does everyone do what I do... carry little cash and when you want to buy something with cash go to a machine and take it out within an hour of your purchase? It seems to me if this is typical then we need to look at changing that habit since it can lead someone to you, albeit with great difficulty. Jim -- Tantalus Inc. Bringing people together Jim Sewell-KD4CKQ 2407 N. Roosevelt Blvd. to have a little fun. Internet: jims@mpgn.com Key West, FL 33041 CIS: 71061,1027 (305) 293-8100 "We keep coding and coding and coding..."
On Tue, 19 Apr 1994, Jim Sewell - KD4CKQ wrote:
name/id. Safe at last, or are you? What if "they" analyzed all the ATM machines in that general area and got a report of everyone who withdrew Gun_Price + 0-to-100 dollars. (Spending money). They could narrow it down and eventually, since they suspect you anyway, get your pix from the ATM video camera. Take this to the gun man and you're id'd.
My point? Does everyone do what I do... carry little cash and when you want to buy something with cash go to a machine and take it out within an hour of your purchase? It seems to me if this is typical then we need to look at changing that habit since it can lead someone to you, albeit with great difficulty.
Jim, I am so glad I am not as paranoid as you. It would make my life a very distubing and scarry place to be. I am also glad that you *are* that paranoid, because I wouldn't have thought of that and it's the kind of thing that at least needs to be _mentioned_ in any serious discussion of security, privacy, anonymity, etc... even if it is hard to do anything to deter such a determined and powerfull (hopefully imaginary) opponent. Next time I make an illegal puchase, I'll be sure to have my picture taken at an ATM 10 miles away *at the same time* as the purchase is being made. If 'the infamous they' attempt such a corrolation, they will discover proof posotive that I did *not* make said purchase! <g> Happy Hunting, -Chris. ______________________________________________________________________________ Christian Douglas Odhner | "The NSA can have my secret key when they pry cdodhner@indirect.com | it from my cold, dead, hands... But they shall pgp 2.3 public key by finger | NEVER have the password it's encrypted with!" cypherpunks WOw dCD Traskcom Team Stupid Key fingerprint = 58 62 A2 84 FD 4F 56 38 82 69 6F 08 E4 F1 79 11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My point? Does everyone do what I do... carry little cash and when you want to buy something with cash go to a machine and take it out within an hour of your purchase? It seems to me if this is typical then we need to look at changing that habit since it can lead someone to you, albeit with great difficulty.
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