..on Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 02:01:10PM +0200, Maxim Kammerer wrote:

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Martin Johnson <greatfire@greatfire.org> wrote:

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Yes, the question is what you call "working well". The censorship-warning feature added last year was clearly improving the user experience. Removing it worsened the user experience again.

Is this backed up by actual user experiences from China?

b When Wired.co.uk spoke to a few Chinese residents about the disabled Google feature, they were not even aware of it because they used VPNs, demonstrating Google might not be taking into account just how savvy its users are at all.b [1]

I found the article 'Five Myths about the Chinese Internet' a very useful read, especially as regards savvy-factor of users. We in the West love to generalise 'the situation' in China but often have little or no idea as to the scale, scope or dynamics at play. Another reason I find it particularly valuable to be reading people on this list that are operating there. The article was walled off at ForeignPolicy.com (ironically) but is available here in its entirety: Five Myths about the Chinese Internet: http://strategicstudyindia.blogspot.de/2012/11/five-myths-about-chinese-inte... "Chinese Internet users are cosmopolitan, educated, and informed. Many use, or at least know they can use, circumvention technology like VPNs (Virtual Private Networks) to access blocked content." Cheers, -- Julian Oliver http://julianoliver.com http://criticalengineering.org -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE