From julian@julianoliver.com Fri Jul 6 02:41:46 2018 From: Julian Oliver To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Google Bows Down To Chinese Government On Censorship Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 02:41:46 +0000 Message-ID: <172289280272.3881296.2663271228386897433.generated@mail.pglaf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2781931979582203527==" --===============2781931979582203527== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ..on Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 02:01:10PM +0200, Maxim Kammerer wrote: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Martin Johnson = wrote: > > Yes, the question is what you call "working well". The censorship-warning > > feature added last year was clearly improving the user experience. Removi= ng > > it worsened the user experience again. >=20 > Is this backed up by actual user experiences from China? >=20 > b When Wired.co.uk spoke to a few Chinese residents about the disabled > Google feature, they were not even aware of it because they used VPNs, > demonstrating Google might not be taking into account just how savvy > its users are at all.b [1] I found the article 'Five Myths about the Chinese Internet' a very useful rea= d, especially as regards savvy-factor of users. We in the West love to generalise 'the situation' in China but often have little or no idea as to the scale, sc= ope or dynamics at play. Another reason I find it particularly valuable to be reading people on this list that are operating there. The article was walled off at ForeignPolicy.com (ironically) but is available here in its entirety: Five Myths about the Chinese Internet:=20 http://strategicstudyindia.blogspot.de/2012/11/five-myths-about-chinese-i= nternet.html "Chinese Internet users are cosmopolitan, educated, and informed. Many us= e, or at least know they can use, circumvention technology like VPNs (Virtual Private Networks) to access blocked content." Cheers, --=20 Julian Oliver http://julianoliver.com http://criticalengineering.org -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanfor= d.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech ----- End forwarded message ----- --=20 Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE --===============2781931979582203527==--