On Sun, 20 Sep 1998, Reeza! wrote: [snip bunch of a good ream applied where required --]

In case you hadn't noticed, the investigation of him, vis-a-vis the rules established by other demicans, his supposed compatriates, is still ongoing.

Methinks this is just the tip of the iceberg, a bone for the populace to chew on so that when the rest of the story breaks, we (the dog) won't notice the prime rib and sirloin.

we all know that -- the question is whether or not the Klintons have left enough witnesses alive to prove it! who's next on their hit parade?

I congratulate you for your defense of a person who demonstrably has broken his marriage vows, his oath of public office, and purjured himself while under an additional oath in a court of law.

You, too, are a few neurons short of a functional synapse.

perfect! slap! slap! let's do it again!

I suggest you discuss it with the maker. The best way is large caliber bullet at sufficient velocity to penetrate and exit the cranial cavity.

cant do this one more than once unless it's Vince Foster.

God speed, you fucking idiot.

yup, praise the Lord, and pass the ammo; we'll even help a few you fellows out [the door].

Reeza!

gave me a good laugh --thanx, Reeza! ooo-rah!

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At 09:50 AM 9/21/98 -0700, Michael Motyka wrote:

Completely illogical. Give me one good reason not to lead with your best punch? I suspect Starr's work is voluminous but weak on all other counts so he led with what would create the most publicity. I've said that I'm no great fan of Clinton's but this entire investigation is blatantly partisan and has brought the political process in this country about as low as it is possible to bring it.

The affairs of Men rarely rely upon the dictates of logic, or even common sense. National Security. International Relations. Self Interest Re: Future Employment. Direct and Specific instruction from immediate supervisor. He does report to a panel of others. It is weaker than it could be on other counts, due to many/most/all of the prime candidates selected to testify against the sitting....person, keep turning up dead. Go Figure. Certainly it has ties to partisanship. Clarence Thomas. The Demicans made the rules, now the Publicrats are playing by them. I'm reminded of a line from the recent movie "Good Will Hunting". "How do you like them apples?" Certainly it has given the Nation a black eye. We are now down in the gutter, at what would seem to be Clintons level, discussing the merits of cigars with or without extra flavoring.

Starr's base approach to justice is the opening shot of what I hope turns into an all-out scorched-earth battle. Let 'em all fall down. I'm just afraid that when it's over the only people who will be willing to run for public office will be truly dangerous people who have no respect for liberty not of their own definition.

Starr's base approach? You mean 'basic' don't you? No, you were right. But remember, it is all strictly by the Demican play book. I also agree that the Beltway needs a shakedown, I share your fears. Reeza! "Yes, the president should resign. He has lied to the American people, time and time again, and betrayed their trust. He is no longer an effective leader. Since he has admitted guilt, there is no reason to put the American people through an impeachment. He will serve absolutely no purpose in finishing out his term; the only possible solution is for the president to save some dignity and resign." - William Jefferson Clinton, speaking of Richard M. Nixon, 1974

Petro wrote:

At 11:50 AM -0500 9/21/98, Michael Motyka wrote:

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Starr's base approach to justice is the opening shot of what I hope turns into an all-out scorched-earth battle. Let 'em all fall down. I'm just afraid that when it's over the only people who will be willing to run for public office will be truly dangerous people who have no respect for liberty not of their own definition.

Which is different from today how?

In spite of their shortcomings, many of today's politicians in both parties seem to be fairly pragmatic, 'middle of the road' types. If the only people who can pass muster under the emerging standards are religous fundamentalists then we will have a Bill of Rights under attack problem that is another order of magnitude greater than we have right now. Scares me because while I'm pretty much a live and let live sort, some of the fundamentalists I've known are not very tolerant. Mike

At 09:50 AM 9/21/98 -0700, Michael Motyka wrote:

Completely illogical. Give me one good reason not to lead with your best punch? I suspect Starr's work is voluminous but weak on all other counts so he led with what would create the most publicity.

Starr did an Impeachment Referral with the stuff he had incontrovertible proof of. Proof is very difficult when dealing with someone like Clinton and you don't want to do a Referral with insufficient proof. Notice that even with proof of multiple felonies the Clintonistas say that they aren't important felonies.

I've said that I'm no great fan of Clinton's but this entire investigation is blatantly partisan and has brought the political process in this country about as low as it is possible to bring it.

The Special Counsel was appointed at the request of the President after 6 Democrat Senators called for it. Republicans don't like Clinton but they don't have to.

Starr's base approach to justice is the opening shot of what I hope turns into an all-out scorched-earth battle.

He's just behaving in the way the Democrats designed the OIC to behave. A prosecutor on speed with no boss and no budget. That was their intent. US Attorneys or local DAs would behave the same way if they had the cash. Law & Order Liberals like Clinton can hardly complain. Better him than some 18-year-old drug lookout sentenced to 40 years or some accident-free drunk driver sentenced to life (Texas recently).

Let 'em all fall down. I'm just afraid that when it's over the only people who will be willing to run for public office will be truly dangerous people who have no respect for liberty not of their own definition.

Like Clinton, right? I certainly like to see the damage to the Presidency. We also don't have to worry about any tobacco legislation for a few years. DCF "We'll give you more than you deserve. We'll give you Justice."

Petro wrote:

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At 11:50 AM -0500 9/21/98, Michael Motyka wrote:

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Starr's base approach to justice is the opening shot of what I hope turns into an all-out scorched-earth battle. Let 'em all fall down. I'm just afraid that when it's over the only people who will be willing to run for public office will be truly dangerous people who have no respect for liberty not of their own definition.

Which is different from today how?

In spite of their shortcomings, many of today's politicians in both parties seem to be fairly pragmatic, 'middle of the road' types. If the only people who can pass muster under the emerging standards are religous fundamentalists then we will have a Bill of Rights under attack problem that is another order of magnitude greater than we have right now. Scares me because while I'm pretty much a live and let live sort, some of the fundamentalists I've known are not very tolerant.

Mike

I know it's a mistake to reply to this stuff but it would be nice for someone to maintain the context. Clinton was on trial for sexual harrassment. When giving testimony under oath he chose to lie in order to cover his own ass. I don't much care about the private lives of politicians but I do care how they behave in public places like courts of law. That is what he is trouble for, not for his filandering proclivities which were public known before he became president. Just to help the Clintonites understand: "It's about perjury, stupid!" Steve Bryan Vendorsystems International email: sbryan@vendorsystems.com icq: 5263678 pgp fingerprint: D758 183C 8B79 B28E 6D4C 2653 E476 82E6 DA7C 9AC5

On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Michael Motyka wrote:

Reeza! wrote:

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In case you hadn't noticed, the investigation of him, vis-a-vis the rules established by other demicans, his supposed compatriates, is still ongoing.

Methinks this is just the tip of the iceberg, a bone for the populace to chew on so that when the rest of the story breaks, we (the dog) won't notice the prime rib and sirloin.

Completely illogical. Give me one good reason not to lead with your best punch? I suspect Starr's work is voluminous but weak on all other counts so he led with what would create the most publicity. I've said that I'm no great fan of Clinton's but this entire investigation is blatantly partisan and has brought the political process in this country about as low as it is possible to bring it.

Actually he was directed to present evidence of impeachable offenses as soon as he found them. Well he thinks he has found some and I might concurr on a few. Blatantly partisan impeachment hearings? Say it aint so, Joe! If you think the political process has never been lower then you need to recheck the history of the last several years. How about Democrats and Republicans joining hand in hand to cheer on the baby burning BATF in Waco? Is your religion ATF approved? How about murdering innocent mothers while they are holding their babies in their arms? A scene worthy of Hollywood depictions of WWII era Nazi's. Sure, Weaver got his money, but was anyone punished? Will the money bring back his family? These cowards in Congress didn't have the balls to punish these murderers then and they certainly don't seem to have changed their tune. When someone else had the cajones to try one of these bastards on the soft charge of manslaughter the feds showed their true colors and usurped jurisdiction and found them innocent under color of law... I seem to remember something about that by Tom Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence: "...For quatering large bodies of troops among us: For protecting them, by a mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these States" That pretty much clinches it. Yes, the political process has been lower. Unpunished baby burners, free roaming mother murderers. All performed by the Hostage Rescue Team with loving grace. Love is Hate. Peace is War. I love Big Brother. I realize that now. jb