On 29 Jul 96 at 6:06, pjn@nworks.com wrote: (in response to Tim's suggestion that:)

In> Rather than debate semantics of the definition of "hacker," or ask In> others to suggest definitions, it might be better for interested folks In> to read some of the various books on the topic and then decide for In> themselves. Some of them are:

In> - Levy, "Hackers," of course

Very good history.

In> - Haffner and Markoff, "Cyberpunk"

In> - Sterling's book on hackers

Hacker Crackdown.

In> - any one (but not more) of the several Shimomura v. Mitnick books

I think that Markoffs book on the incident was written beter then the rest.

I might also suggest:

- Masters of Deception

- The Cuckoos Egg by Stoll

Not to unduly belabor this, but I quite recently discovered another, somewhat less widely known book on the subject. _Approaching Zero_ by Paul Mungo & Bryan Clough. I've only skimmed it, but my 11 year-old son has promised to lend it to me when he finishes reading it. AR #%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#% "In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free." - Edward Gibbon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Allen Robinson.........................sebago@earthlink.net PGP public key FE4A0A75 fingerprint 170FBC1F7609B76F 967F1CC8FCA7A41F