Boylovers, NAMBLA, and Net-vigilantes, from The Netly News
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:03:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com> To: fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Boylovers, NAMBLA, and Net-vigilantes, from The Netly News ----- http://pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1222,00.html The Netly News (http://netlynews.com/) July 29, 1997 This Boy-Lover's Life by Declan McCullagh (declan@well.com) Anne Cox is nothing if not determined. For months the Net-vigilante has been unwavering in her crusade against pedophiles, undaunted by insults, threats and even the "horrible things" done to pictures of her as a baby that she had digitized and placed online. She fought back with just about every possible tactic: argument, public humiliation and sometimes-spurious threats of legal action. Now, the war is escalating. It started in May, after Cox launched an assault on "boy-lover" web sites in an attempt to force them offline. But she and her allies ran into a serious obstacle: the sites aren't illegal. They're filled not with child pornography -- which is banned by federal law -- but, instead, photos of boys in swimsuits. "They shouldn't be doing these things with the children's pictures," Cox says. [...] Some argue that Cox and her allies have gone too far. Besides boy-pix sites, this team of Net-vigilantes has attacked a group of gay teens organizing "to fight against" discrimination. They've tried to take down a consensual spanking page for gay adults, and even an archive of sexually-explicit stories that specifically rejects tales about pedophilia. Then there's the murky Children's Protection and Advocacy Coalition, which Cox claims to run -- yet she refuses to name its member organizations. [...]
Declan writes: [snip] Very nice article.
"They shouldn't be doing these things with the children's pictures," Cox says.
Cough. One wonders why these nuts spend so much of their time worrying about what they imagine others to be aroused by, and why they embrace the doctrine of "vicarious long-distance molestation" whenever they think an otherwise ordinary photograph has been the victim of some random stranger's impure thoughts. Such nonsense is central to the doctrine of radical feminists like Andrea Dworkin, of the "Playboy is rape" mentality. I've never had a clue as to why such individuals aren't laughed out of the auditorium immediately. Anyone want to wager whether http://netlynews.com/ is the newest addition to the other 82k of URLs on Paladino's now-famous "Sewer Site"? :) -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch@zipcon.com $ via Finger $ {Free Cypherpunk Political Prisoner Jim Bell}
On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Mike Duvos wrote:
Declan writes:
[snip]
Very nice article.
"They shouldn't be doing these things with the children's pictures," Cox says.
Cough. One wonders why these nuts spend so much of their time worrying about what they imagine others to be aroused by, and why they embrace the doctrine of "vicarious long-distance molestation" whenever they think an otherwise ordinary photograph has been the victim of some random stranger's impure thoughts.
Don't you know that taking someones picture captures a part of their soul and that if you concentrate hard enough you can actually cause them harm? It is because these people are superstitious. They believe in magic. They believe that thoughts and actions are equivelent and should be punished as such. They also get a vicarious thril out of being able to "stop Evil" and "punish the Wrong-Doers". (It is the same set of thrills that make people become congress-critters.) It is a way of making themselves feel worthwhile and an upholder of virtue. When you examine the actions and motives of "moralists" and other sorts of do-gooders, you find that in most cases, they are pretty disfunctional beings in real life.
Such nonsense is central to the doctrine of radical feminists like Andrea Dworkin, of the "Playboy is rape" mentality. I've never had a clue as to why such individuals aren't laughed out of the auditorium immediately.
Because sometimes people want to think of themselves as being a victim. Andrea and the rest of the Dwarks are feeding them a line that they want to believe. It is so much easier to deal with your problems when you are told that they are caused by someone else. That it is the "patriarchal society" that is keeping them down. That those "nasty men" are the cause of their problems. (What is really distressing about the Dwarkin variety of feminist is that they reduce the options for women. They replace a percieved patriarchy with a matriarchy that is even more controlling and strict.) Most of the audiences at a Dwarkin speach are "true believers" already. What bothers me more is when the media actually takes these people seriously and not as the sexually screwed up people they are. If you want to see how far gone these people are, I suggest going to a Dwarkin speech. The women are pretty frightening, but the men who show up are even more far gone. (It works better if you are picketing the speech. You get all the loons! (I have some interesting stories about the two held in Portland.))
Anyone want to wager whether http://netlynews.com/ is the newest addition to the other 82k of URLs on Paladino's now-famous "Sewer Site"? :)
The "Sewer Site" sounds like something to add to all of those "where to find good porn sites" links pages. I wonder how many people go there looking for good porn? alan@ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys.
On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Alan wrote:
Don't you know that taking someones picture captures a part of their soul and that if you concentrate hard enough you can actually cause them harm?
"Don't you know that taking a picture of my license plate will capture a piece of my soul and cause me harm? Ossifer, it's against my religion to allow you to photograph, videotape, or otherwise record my likeness." (Okay, was a nice try anyway...) :) =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos================ .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see you|./|\. ..\|/..|sunder@sundernet.com|once again. I thought you were hidinng.|/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ |And you thought that I had run away. |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |Chasing the tail of dogma. I opened my eye|.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|and there we were.... |..... ======================== http://www.sundernet.com ===========================
At 1:50 PM -0700 7/29/97, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Now *this* is a Subject: line I never expected to see flash across my screen...
Since dejanews.com is on that swamp-list, I suspect pathfinder.com may appear as well.
Banning images or text because they might lead to impure thoughts or even criminal actions is odd. It makes individuals *less* responsible for what they do, and refuses to admit the possibility of free will...
One word explains this and similar laws: "thoughtcrime." --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
Tim writes:
One word explains this and similar laws: "thoughtcrime."
An interesting aside. A reliable source tells me that the thing that pushed XtatiX.com over the edge was a threat by US Customs to seize all their equipment for "Investigation of an International Child Pornography Ring" Note this is merely an "investigation," not even an allegation that a crime has actually occurred. Apparently, they seize all your assets, then investigate, and keep them regardless of the outcome. XtatiX, consisting of two not particularly wealthy guys and a Linux box, had no alternative but to remove from their system free speech the Feds didn't like, in order to remain in business. The thumbscrews of Democracy work in mysterious ways. :) -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch@zipcon.com $ via Finger $ {Free Cypherpunk Political Prisoner Jim Bell}
Now *this* is a Subject: line I never expected to see flash across my screen... Since dejanews.com is on that swamp-list, I suspect pathfinder.com may appear as well. Banning images or text because they might lead to impure thoughts or even criminal actions is odd. It makes individuals *less* responsible for what they do, and refuses to admit the possibility of free will... -Declan At 12:17 -0700 7/29/97, Mike Duvos wrote:
Declan writes:
[snip]
Very nice article.
"They shouldn't be doing these things with the children's pictures," Cox says.
Cough. One wonders why these nuts spend so much of their time worrying about what they imagine others to be aroused by, and why they embrace the doctrine of "vicarious long-distance molestation" whenever they think an otherwise ordinary photograph has been the victim of some random stranger's impure thoughts.
Such nonsense is central to the doctrine of radical feminists like Andrea Dworkin, of the "Playboy is rape" mentality. I've never had a clue as to why such individuals aren't laughed out of the auditorium immediately.
Anyone want to wager whether http://netlynews.com/ is the newest addition to the other 82k of URLs on Paladino's now-famous "Sewer Site"? :)
-- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch@zipcon.com $ via Finger $ {Free Cypherpunk Political Prisoner Jim Bell}
------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/
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Now *this* is a Subject: line I never expected to see flash across my screen...
Since dejanews.com is on that swamp-list, I suspect pathfinder.com may appear as well.
Banning images or text because they might lead to impure thoughts or even criminal actions is odd. It makes individuals *less* responsible for what they do, and refuses to admit the possibility of free will...
There is nothing odd about it. This is the SOP for these Nazi bastards. It is the central theme with the anti-crypto, pro-ratinging crowd. Their only goal is to have the power to contol what you can and can not say. If you deviate from their moral code they want the power to punish you with the force of the state. This is no different then the Holy Roman Church back in the dark ages. If you say that the world if round against church doctrin they will put you on the rack. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM958SY9Co1n+aLhhAQHR9gP/SEBoT/KBfUbtzt3LsYcuLLEO7zumhlWY xK4kgS7m2oaeFOws1NaMU4hHi+7cXnT59cW5/tECE0+QjUVf7cNDlkaWsvgB1Q2n +kvJN3z9AialohuSaF3HQfAjp/W+h/1R7pLy2l4alIBqc1cvw3C8/JjpnHbQq35O zwPiTxVyC5s= =Qrvm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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