At 16:42 29/07/96 CST, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:

typical 'liberal' solutions to social problems seem (at least to me) all centered around disallowing failure. ... I like to point out that evolution always requires multiple generations, and that when nothing dies, nothing evolves.

Just a thought... Evolution also works better with a rich, diverse gene pool. If we define "failure" by the narrow standards of today's needs, and allow those who fail to die, we may be left with people completely unequipped to cope with the radically changed environments that future generations might face. "The first ones now may later be last, for the times, they are a-changing." BTW, have you read "Watership Down" by (forgot the first name) Adams? It illustrates what I am trying to say rather well. Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta@cpsr.org http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ finger amehta@cerfnet.com for public key