Re: DEATH TO THE TYRANTS
Tim May wrote:
By the way, I don't recall it being mentioned that [my] message from "IRS Inspection" had an interesting subject line: DEATH TO TYRANTS.
The six other headers received or forwarded here have the same subject: "Something of Interest." Further, Tim's message is so far the earliest of the batch: 12:18 compared to the next at 12:25 which went to a mail list based in Norway. Others followed at about 1 minute intervals, the last at 12:33. See the full headers at: http://jya.com/irs-header.txt BTW, Declan, did you not once write that IRS offices are down the corridor from yours? If so, would you care to ask the thieves their opinion of the spam, especially if they are the authors, sneaking into your box and lifting lists while you're sipping and baseballing with the brokers? Cite me as inquring an CU-FU, if you prefer to keep reportorial distance. Write up spam story, do, providing that you're up to snuff paying Crispin-bandit extortion. ---------- This is a resend of a message sent at 06:53 AM this morning, which did not make it through, at least not to me.
It's actually the Secret Service offices that are upstairs from the Time bureau, on the top floor of the building. Perhaps because we're close enough to see the White House? Dunno. The only time I went up there was when they were selling Xmas tree ornaments. I have a call into the IRS about this mail, BTW. So far nobody has (or admits to having) any idea what I'm talking about. -Declan On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, John Young wrote:
BTW, Declan, did you not once write that IRS offices are down the corridor from yours? If so, would you care to ask the thieves their opinion of the spam, especially if they are the authors, sneaking into your box and lifting lists while you're sipping and baseballing with the brokers?
Declan McCullagh wrote:
It's actually the Secret Service offices that are upstairs from the Time bureau, on the top floor of the building. Perhaps because we're close enough to see the White House? Dunno. The only time I went up there was when they were selling Xmas tree ornaments.
Secret Service Xmas tree ornaments? Hmm. Next time they are selling them, could you find out if they have a mail order address? -Doug
At 12:51 pm -0400 on 7/24/97, Ray Arachelian wrote:
Sure you want'em? They're probably as buggy as a swap in july.
No. That's Washington, in general... Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com), Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/
On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Robert Hettinga wrote:
At 12:51 pm -0400 on 7/24/97, Ray Arachelian wrote:
Sure you want'em? They're probably as buggy as a swap in july.
No. That's Washington, in general...
:) Yeah, but why invite Big Brother to listen to you from your own xmas tree? :) Would be cool to get a list of frequencies their bugs work on and just sit back and listen too all the various conversations. :) Even if they originate from around the ol'e Yule Log. :) =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian | "If you wanna touch the sky, you must |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder@sundernet.com| be prepared to die. And I hate cough |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ | syrup, don't you?" |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, | For with those which eternal lie, with |.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"| strange aeons, even death may die. |..... ======================== http://www.sundernet.com =========================
The Secret Service sells tree ornaments every year. They're quite nice. Though by the time I got back from Singapore last December, they were sold out. Don't think they do mail order; it's just for building residents. If there's a tremendous amount of interest I might be talked into taking orders this year. They're only about $12 each. I hear from fellow jlists that the S.S. also runs a souvenier shop in the basement of the Old Executive Office Building, on the White House compound. I've never been able to find it, though. -Declan On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Doug Peterson wrote:
Declan McCullagh wrote:
It's actually the Secret Service offices that are upstairs from the Time bureau, on the top floor of the building. Perhaps because we're close enough to see the White House? Dunno. The only time I went up there was when they were selling Xmas tree ornaments.
Secret Service Xmas tree ornaments? Hmm. Next time they are selling them, could you find out if they have a mail order address?
-Doug
On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:39:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com> To: Doug Peterson <fnorky@geocities.com> Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE TYRANTS
The Secret Service sells tree ornaments every year. They're quite nice. Though by the time I got back from Singapore last December, they were sold out. Don't think they do mail order; it's just for building residents.
If there's a tremendous amount of interest I might be talked into taking orders this year. They're only about $12 each.
What do they look like?
I hear from fellow jlists that the S.S. also runs a souvenier shop in the basement of the Old Executive Office Building, on the White House compound. I've never been able to find it, though.
You have to find the news stand and ask for the "Special of the day" while wearing a pink dress shirt. A trap door will open and you will be at the gift shop. (If you survive the fall.) alan@ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys.
Declan McCullagh wrote:
The Secret Service sells tree ornaments every year. They're quite nice. Though by the time I got back from Singapore last December, they were sold out. Don't think they do mail order; it's just for building residents.
If there's a tremendous amount of interest I might be talked into taking orders this year. They're only about $12 each.
I hear from fellow jlists that the S.S. also runs a souvenier shop in the basement of the Old Executive Office Building, on the White House compound. I've never been able to find it, though.
-Declan
I'll keep the offer in mind this year. If nothing else, they would make great gifts for some of my more paranoid friends. -Doug
On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Doug Peterson wrote:
Declan McCullagh wrote:
It's actually the Secret Service offices that are upstairs from the Time bureau, on the top floor of the building. Perhaps because we're close enough to see the White House? Dunno. The only time I went up there was when they were selling Xmas tree ornaments.
Secret Service Xmas tree ornaments? Hmm. Next time they are selling them, could you find out if they have a mail order address?
Sure you want'em? They're probably as buggy as a swap in july. =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian | "If you wanna touch the sky, you must |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder@sundernet.com| be prepared to die. And I hate cough |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ | syrup, don't you?" |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, | For with those which eternal lie, with |.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"| strange aeons, even death may die. |..... ======================== http://www.sundernet.com =========================
Ray Arachelian wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Doug Peterson wrote:
Declan McCullagh wrote:
It's actually the Secret Service offices that are upstairs from the Time bureau, on the top floor of the building. Perhaps because we're close enough to see the White House? Dunno. The only time I went up there was when they were selling Xmas tree ornaments.
Secret Service Xmas tree ornaments? Hmm. Next time they are selling them, could you find out if they have a mail order address?
Sure you want'em? They're probably as buggy as a swap in july.
Hehe. Thats the idea... -Doug
At 8:31 PM -0700 7/23/97, Declan McCullagh wrote:
It's actually the Secret Service offices that are upstairs from the Time bureau, on the top floor of the building. Perhaps because we're close enough to see the White House? Dunno. The only time I went up there was when they were selling Xmas tree ornaments.
I have a call into the IRS about this mail, BTW. So far nobody has (or admits to having) any idea what I'm talking about.
I'm not a reporter, but it seems to me that a major first step in writing such a story would be to find out who own the account from which the mail was (allegedly) sent. Namely, who is "irsnwpr@net.insp.irs.gov" and what does he or she think of the "DEATH TO TYRANTS" subject header, sent to me (and maybe others). And what was the reason this was sent to folks who are neither lawyers nor reporters nor anyone else who typically receives Treasury Department press releases? The headers in the first of the messages I received were: Received: from you for tcmay with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.13 1996/12/26) Fri Jul 18 19:25:02 1997 X-From_: irsnwpr@net.insp.irs.gov Fri Jul 18 15:30:05 1997 Received: from tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (tcs-gateway1.treas.gov [204.151.245.2]) by you.got.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA28395 for <tcmay@got.net>; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:29:59 -0700 X-Real-To: <tcmay@got.net> Received: by tcs_gateway1.treas.gov id AA19560 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for tcmay@got.net); Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:36:21 -0400 Received: by tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-2); Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:36:21 -0400 Received: by tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-1); Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:36:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:18:35 -0400 From: IRS Inspection <irsnwpr@net.insp.irs.gov> Message-Id: <199707171618.MAA02670@net.insp.irs.gov> To: Interested-Parties@net.insp.irs.gov Subject: DEATH TO TYRANTS I forwarded the header block a few days ago, and can furnish anyone with a complete copy. Except for the "DEATH TO TYRANTS" subject, and some details of the dates (as noted by John Young), it's the basic "Something of Interest" message, which I also got a copy of. In case there's interest in that, too, here's the header block for that one: Received: from you for tcmay with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.13 1996/12/26) Fri Jul 18 19:25:08 1997 X-From_: irsnwpr@net.insp.irs.gov Fri Jul 18 15:39:43 1997 Received: from tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (tcs-gateway1.treas.gov [204.151.245.2]) by you.got.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA28954 for <tcmay@got.net>; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:39:39 -0700 X-Real-To: <tcmay@got.net> Received: by tcs_gateway1.treas.gov id AA19652 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for tcmay@got.net); Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:45:59 -0400 Received: by tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-2); Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:45:59 -0400 Received: by tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-1); Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:45:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:28:11 -0400 From: IRS Inspection <irsnwpr@net.insp.irs.gov> Message-Id: <199707171628.MAA02724@net.insp.irs.gov> To: Interested-Parties@net.insp.irs.gov Subject: Something of Interest There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote:
Namely, who is "irsnwpr@net.insp.irs.gov" and what does he or she think of the "DEATH TO TYRANTS" subject header, sent to me (and maybe others). And what was the reason this was sent to folks who are neither lawyers nor reporters nor anyone else who typically receives Treasury Department press releases?
I'm probably wrong on this, but the "pr" at the end stands for public relations, "nw" could be "news wire" or some such. (And for the clueless, IRS stands of course for evil jackbooted thugs that eat most of our paychecks for breakfast...) :) For one thing, I suggest we setup a nice big form letter and spam them back with it stating that we do not condone spamming and that we intend to sue their asses for using our private emails to distribute government propaganda. (The quartering of soldiers and all that shit would be a nice constituional point to include.) Any lawyer like folk willing to write up such a beast? I'd gladly attach my email address to it as it's being sent. It could also be a mailing list, if it is, sending email to it will at least confirm the theory... It's interesting that I've tried two or three different networks and nslookup, ping, and traceroute don't show any net.insp.irs.gov, nor any insp.irs.gov... anyone have better luck finding this evil machine? =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian | "If you wanna touch the sky, you must |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder@sundernet.com| be prepared to die. And I hate cough |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ | syrup, don't you?" |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, | For with those which eternal lie, with |.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"| strange aeons, even death may die. |..... ======================== http://www.sundernet.com =========================
At 8:03 AM -0700 7/24/97, Ray Arachelian wrote:
For one thing, I suggest we setup a nice big form letter and spam them back with it stating that we do not condone spamming and that we intend to sue their asses for using our private emails to distribute government propaganda. (The quartering of soldiers and all that shit would be a nice constituional point to include.) Any lawyer like folk willing to write up such a beast? I'd gladly attach my email address to it as it's being sent.
Well, we've had this disagreement before. They, the IRS, have as much right to use e-mail addresses as anyone else. "Unrequested mail" is not spam. As for suing them, on what basis? I think it mildly worrisome, and _potentially_ evidence of threatening behavior, to send out press releases to those who are not parties to the Bell matter and are not known to be reporters or media outlets, but this all remains to be shown. And of course it may be embarassing to the IRS to be sending out e-mail with the subject header "DEATH TO TYRANTS." (Note that it was not "Re: DEATH TO TYRANTS.") A sentiment I agree with, of course, but I didn't think they did. Maybe there's one of us inside the Beast? Maybe he's been reading the threads on how to acquire Semtex? --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
Tim May <tcmay@got.net> writes:
Namely, who is "irsnwpr@net.insp.irs.gov" and what does he or she think of the "DEATH TO TYRANTS" subject header, sent to me (and maybe others). ... The headers in the first of the messages I received were:
Received: from tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (tcs-gateway1.treas.gov [204.151.245.2]) by you.got.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA28395 for <tcmay@got.net>; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:29:59 -0700 ... Received: from tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (tcs-gateway1.treas.gov [204.151.245.2]) by you.got.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA28954 for <tcmay@got.net>; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:39:39 -0700
If those headers are forged, it is an expert forgery. The MX hosts for the net.insp.irs.gov domain are fun: net.insp.irs.gov preference = 10, mail exchanger = tcs-gateway2.treas.gov net.insp.irs.gov preference = 20, mail exchanger = tcs-gateway1.treas.gov net.insp.irs.gov preference = 30, mail exchanger = gotcha.treas.gov irs.gov nameserver = gotcha.treas.gov irs.gov nameserver = nis.ans.net irs.gov nameserver = ns.ans.net tcs-gateway2.treas.gov internet address = 204.151.246.2 tcs-gateway1.treas.gov internet address = 204.151.245.2 gotcha.treas.gov internet address = 204.151.246.80 `gotcha.treas.gov'? It's a real host connected through ans.net ... 12 h10-1.t32-0.New-York.t3.ans.net (140.223.57.30) 139.839 ms 126.702 ms 125.82 ms 13 h11-1.t56-1.Washington-DC.t3.ans.net (140.223.57.21) 147.248 ms 124.774 ms 118.815 ms 14 f0-0.cnss60.Washington-DC.t3.ans.net (140.222.56.196) 192.54 ms 125.939 ms 166.529 ms 15 enss3080.t3.ans.net (192.103.66.18) 130.917 ms 131.057 ms 145.377 ms 16 gotcha.treas.gov (204.151.246.80) 133.065 ms 134.345 ms 131.596 ms Except for hop 16, this is the same traceroute as to tcs-gateway2.treas.gov. For what it's worth, the traceroute to tcs-gateway1 is slightly different: 8 h13-1.t16-0.Los-Angeles.t3.ans.net (140.223.9.14) 44.997 ms 51.526 ms 51.875 ms 9 h14-1.t112-0.Albuquerque.t3.ans.net (140.223.17.10) 60.895 ms 60.426 ms 57.762 ms 10 h14-1.t64-0.Houston.t3.ans.net (140.223.65.9) 81.131 ms * 85.067 ms 11 h14-1.t80-1.St-Louis.t3.ans.net (140.223.65.14) 117.62 ms 100.623 ms 104.878 ms 12 h10-1.t60-0.Reston.t3.ans.net (140.223.61.13) 126.368 ms 136.017 ms 123.367 ms 13 f2-0.c60-10.Reston.t3.ans.net (140.223.60.220) 129.505 ms 128.214 ms 128.52 ms 14 enss3079.t3.ans.net (204.148.66.66) 134.707 ms 162.912 ms 160.774 ms 15 tcs-gateway1.treas.gov (204.151.245.2) 154.268 ms * 155.898 ms
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