Adam Back, <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk>, writes:

In trying to figure out which lists were working, I noticed that there are now many more people on coderpunks and cryptography than there are on cypherpunks... take a look at these figures:

713 cryptography@c2.net 713 coderpunks@toad.com 245 cypherpunks@algebra.com + cypherpunks@cyberpass.net - duplicates

Coderpunks has not been very active, I think (although I don't always notice which messages come from which lists). Perry Metzger's moderated cryptography@c2.net has had some good discussions lately, including contributions from such people as Carl Ellison and Matt Blaze. There was an interesting proposal from James Donald for a possible approach to what they are calling CACK, "Corporate Access to Corporate Keys", without facilitating GAK, "Government Access to Keys". The cypherpunks list continues to have the edge in political commentary and bomb-making instructions. :-) Hal