Re: The problem of playing politics with our constitutional rights
At 10:05 PM 9/11/97 -0700, James S. Tyre wrote:
So, the last rhetorical question -- how do you convince someone who's never used a browser (the vast majority of the voting populace, I'd think) why crypto is important?
"Excuse me, Mr. Man On The Street...would you give an IRS auditor the keys to your house, without him telling you if he would ever use them or if you were being audited?" "Of course not!" "How would you feel about the government requiring that when you buy a lock, you have to give a key to the IRS, and that they ought to be allowed to sneak into your house at will, without you even being notified you've been charged with a crime?" "That's absurd!" "Well, that's what they're trying to do now." "I'll write my Congressman or woman right now!" (Lizard is currently DLing the PGP plug-in for his beloved Eudora. Never let it be said I can't be a nonconformist like everybody else!) <SETH>And here we see more of the cult's recruitment. Note how he always talks about the *GOVERNMENT* and the *IRS*. Why doesn't he talk about Pepsi or GM wanting the keys to your house? More of this 'government bad, business good' propaganda we've all grown so sick and tired of, being shoved down our throats. Small wonder this list has gone to hell!" </SETH>
At 1:38 AM -0400 9/12/97, Lizard wrote:
<SETH>And here we see more of the cult's recruitment. Note how he always talks about the *GOVERNMENT* and the *IRS*. Why doesn't he talk about Pepsi or GM wanting the keys to your house? More of this 'government bad, business good' propaganda we've all grown so sick and tired of, being shoved down our throats. Small wonder this list has gone to hell!" </SETH>
Say what? Do you know how much companies pay for information about you as a member of a demographic? (Think Equifax, Nielsen, or any mailing list company.) Corporations want as much info on you as possible-- luckily, the only reason they want it is to sell you stuff, not to arrest you. Best-- Glenn Hauman, BiblioBytes http://www.bb.com/
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <3419A33F.2C94@dev.null>, on 09/12/97 at 02:17 PM, Fuck You <fu@dev.null> said:
Glenn Hauman wrote:
Corporations want as much info on you as possible-- luckily, the only reason they want it is to sell you stuff, not to arrest you.
For now...
Fuck You ~~~~~~~~
Hmmmm seems that we have an intellectual on the list. Now the $64 question? Did he go to Harvard or Stanford to get that liberal arts degree?? - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNBmhio9Co1n+aLhhAQHZnwP8DE98XANiAHYJ0QnXgy46sL3hw32Ya4ag 1BKdpu/ekoDZG4W2IdzDSxuKsexODZF0VcSOqN7b2EGDRR3/0oj4waQoCsqhS1Yw 6iENz3gMF6SEqo8EJEEXe3V5rcjF+sGC4sz4BqnyAvIQwGgBHOPKaQeLEAkdmqBT ATRLX1tDd78= =K1qB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
William H. Geiger III wrote:
In <3419A33F.2C94@dev.null>, on 09/12/97 at 02:17 PM, Fuck You <fu@dev.null> said:
Glenn Hauman wrote:
Corporations want as much info on you as possible-- luckily, the only reason they want it is to sell you stuff, not to arrest you.
For now...
Fuck You ~~~~~~~~
Hmmmm seems that we have an intellectual on the list.
Now the $64 question? Did he go to Harvard or Stanford to get that liberal arts degree??
Kent State. My studies were in 'Political Philosophy', but when it came time to give me a degree, they "gave me the 'Business'," instead. Fuck You "Yes. I _do_ have a hole in my head."
At 1:38 AM -0400 9/12/97, Lizard wrote:
<SETH>And here we see more of the cult's recruitment. Note how he always talks about the *GOVERNMENT* and the *IRS*. Why doesn't he talk about Pepsi or GM wanting the keys to your house? More of this 'government bad, business good' propaganda we've all grown so sick and tired of, being shoved down our throats. Small wonder this list has gone to hell!" </SETH>
Say what? Do you know how much companies pay for information about you as a member of a demographic? (Think Equifax, Nielsen, or any mailing
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 11:14 AM 9/12/97 -0400, Glenn Hauman wrote: list
company.)
Corporations want as much info on you as possible-- luckily, the only reason they want it is to sell you stuff, not to arrest you.
Sure...that's where the whole privacy debate comes in. Basic point is, if I take steps to hide that information from them, they can't shoot me. No company, to my knowledge, is claiming a *right* to know things about me -- they may demand to know things about me as their half of a contract, but I'm free to refuse, or falsify. And I often do. I wonder if the government could 'sell' GAK to liberals, at least the dumber ones (not anyone on this list), by saying, "And we'll use it to make sure that information collected about you on the web isn't used improperly!" (I mean, if businesses encrypt their internal communications unbreakably, things like civil rights suits and the Pinto 'smoking gun' will be harder to prove as well. ) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNBmEKTKf8mIpTvjWEQJz6gCfeN4BV0d5J6TD6mvId2eeJ7/fth4AnilS tF9NOBixl9726fSynKhxROrB =qgVN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <3.0.3.32.19970912110426.0324099c@dnai.com>, on 09/12/97 at 11:04 AM, Lizard <lizard@dnai.com> said:
I wonder if the government could 'sell' GAK to liberals, at least the dumber ones (not anyone on this list), by saying, "And we'll use it to make sure that information collected about you on the web isn't used improperly!" (I mean, if businesses encrypt their internal communications unbreakably, things like civil rights suits and the Pinto 'smoking gun' will be harder to prove as well. )
I am sure there are a few Liberal stooges that have alread been sold that bill of goods. Several names come to mind but I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader. :) - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNBmIeo9Co1n+aLhhAQEccgP/XNonEFq8pFJR7rF52FTtQvyXpJ/zzeWT NL94b+VwF4rXt/HPCGVMbhM3c6jinTLo91SAf+yHVUPhgBK4IuuCz7jF+/q7HT10 mv8zjIOdcF5U6t0TJtBDm68vx1lyJrzcolRYxFIYn5bzyEwrgb/N4iPf/U9yflA7 3zyczeduBH8= =nK9C -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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