-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -> - From owner-cypherpunks@toad.com Mon Nov 15 01:49:02 1993 To: cypherpunks@toad.com Cc: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu Subject: A Glimmer of Light Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 23:32:06 -0700 From: "L. Detweiler" <ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu> Some miscellaneous psychopunk (I forget who, they are all interchangeable) said <- You know, I've been listening to our Mr. Detweiler here for some time without voicing much other than the occasional "let's get on with more serious business" message to the list. It wasn't until I realized how well Mr. Detweiler fit into a persona archetype I recognized that I even thought I'd dignify his posts to the list with a response. I guess it was this quotation header that clicked it. - -> Some miscellaneous psychopunk (I forget who, they are all interchangeable) said: <- A cynic recognizes the bad in everything and the good in nothing. (Or something to that effect.) Mr. Detweiler seems to have to have a face to associate with all of us to consider us distinct. While he may consider this "normal" I think it's just behind the times. It seems that Mr. Detweiler is offended by the idea that he may not have superficial criteria to judge his associates by in the coming decades. Color of skin, tone of voice, sexual preference, this sort of thing. I think this might make some more sense after we look at some more of Mr. Detweiler's quotes. Just consider the percentage of content in his posts that actually contains some constructive criticism or commentary, this passage is illustrative: - -> wow! a break in the clouds! a breath of fresh air! who is `we'? please elaborate! This miscellaneous psychopunk is posting from MIT. Do you think his burdensome flesh-cucoon (sic) is in Boston? or California? AT LAST! HONESTY! (even if it is criminal or perverted) <- It seems possible that Mr. Detweiler is unable to conduct an open debate without resorting to sarcastic and unprofessional barbs. His arsenal is obviously reduced with the lack of physical characteristics to criticize. Consider: - -> Psychopunks, I'm most impressed with this new atmosphere of open advocation of pseudoanonymity instead of all the black disinformation snippets about `true anonymity' and all the other nonsense about it not being widespread, no cypherpunks being personally involved, etc. for the dreary 10 months or so I've been here. What trouble and heartache for all of us you have caused me in pretending it isn't! Finally, they Come Out of the Closet. Imagine -- having to hide in your own neighborhood for so long. Really, it's all right. There, there. <- Seething with self righteousness and condescending remarks, behind a electronic veil just as much as the rest of us, it seems Detweiler has little of substance beyond emotional appeals that seem to shout "Far right - Lambs of Christ." in their methodology. Given the length, number and intellectual diarrhea styles of his posts, it seems Detweiler has little else to do. It looks to me as if this goes a long way to explain the need to dominate and attract attention. Consider again: - -> When will the articles on Pseudospoofing come out in Wired and NYT? Oh, let's see, there's Newsweek and all those other places too. Please, tell me, I'm really in a tizzy. I'll have to call Mr. Kelly and Mr. Markoff and tell them of your new openness. I'm sure they will be quite interested! <- I'd be surprised to find that Mr. Detweiler has not read any Mike Royko, he tries so hard to emulate him. - -> So, I would like to collect a list of all the Psychopunks who are PSEUDOSPOOFERS and PROUD OF IT. Please, describe your lovely techniques, all the pain and victimization you have gone through from your tormenters (sic) (like me), and how you are going to Change the World so that Pseudospoofers can Live without Harassment. `Live and Let Live'. Sort of like Gay Pride <- Mr. Detweiler really throws his hand here. I suppose we are supposed to be insulted with the analogy to the Gay Pride movement? Perhaps homophobia and privo-phobia are linked somehow? This lofts the scent of the far left centralist socialist or the far right fascist, terrified by discontinuity and even more mortified with the thought that it might be difficult to keep tabs on such individuals. - -> When are you going to stick it in your charter, anyway? How pseudospoofing == privacy == anonymity == pseudoanonymity == pseudonymity == holy liberation == bliss? What a delicious mystery. Life a SF book by Card. What a Card. <- Note the religious reference. - -> Also, I'm still waiting for some kind of comment from those *fabulous* leaders of yours. They're so coy with me. They've been flirting with me since I've been on the list. It's really sexy and erotic, actually, the way they strut around. You can look, but you can't touch! They're real masters at the dance. Ooooooh... just FABULOUTHS. <- I shouldn't need to point out the homosexual references again, but I think it important to note that they are all derogatory in nature. The slur on FABULOUTHS just kills me. - -> Hey guys, you are so clever with the cyberspatial software tricks. Here's something I think you should come up with. THE PSEUDOSPOOFING GAME [About 600 words deleted] These `pseudospoofed virgins' should be raped for great sport and satisfaction. You could get together afterwards and drink a few beers and brag about your scores and conquests, and how they wailed or cried at the end. <- Between homophobia, the introduction of non-consensual sex and Viking locker room talk, the conclusions about Mr. Detweiler's own feelings of inadequacy jump out without much need of assistance. Regardless, Mr. Detweiler's posts are just not present in any constructive commentary it all. He is quite good at stirring up emotions and irritating people beyond their ability to restrain themselves (note my post). But when it comes to any original thought, I've seen little or nothing. He's what I used to call "fluff" in law school. Great at cutting people down with words, but couldn't win an oral argument with a live judge present if it meant his life. Mr. Detweiler seems to think that cute one liners are fatal to reason. Unfortunately, cute cut downs do not a well structured argument make. Middle management material if I ever saw it. Maybe a shift supervisor? "C'mon Williams, your 'ole lady keep you up late last night? Or was it your boyfriend, you queer? Stevens, how nice of you to join us, you're ready for work this morning? Wow! A break in the clouds! A breath of fresh air! Now get to work you bums!" Perfect illustration that a saboteur need not be clever at all, but only disruptive and persistent enough to be annoying and prevent anyone from unharassed constructive discourse. In this regard I'm afraid he's won. There is a agenda here, it seems to me that if Mr. Detweiler is not willing to follow it, and stay ON the path, perhaps he should be asked and then encouraged to leave. I'm sure cries of censorship would abound, but at this point, I feel that these could hardly cause more trouble. - -uni-(Dark) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3 iQCVAgUBLOdDSxibHbaiMfO5AQElkgQA4HasxhdjBGFHlLNHpuZz2GtQO25fv/A0 vWiWT4ZGsZ8d1zGT4GxfG8LJv0xcXgIhPFDmw2V8Das1WxhomMsbEcYIxbBU5QCC 2uuT643BBzQpiMLdLMIm1kpkTuAK35dOdnUyBmD5kU5yv8NLPiKa43pGsD9xB891 yv4J9J075rs= =jxF3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----