Since I started this thread, and because I have always had a problem with the rude way many people discuss things in this group, I was wondering, Perry Metzger, what contribution your sarcastic tone and occasional insults make to your argument. I believe it is possible to continue this debate and stick to the technical issues without getting personal or being rude. I wish more people would realize this. Wonderer (peacemaker?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi.