At 12:21 PM 4/27/94 -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Wrong on both counts. Getting it out legally would be nice--it's a great *fallback* position--but that's not the object of the game. The idea is to get it out and make it widely available. Period.
Maybe of your game. My game is to get cryptography available to all, without violating the law. This mean fighting Clipper, fighting idiotic export restraints, getting the government to change it's stance on cryptography, through arguements and letter pointing out the problems (I love Phil Karn's CJ request, because it points out some of the idiocy behind some of the regulations). This means writing or promoting strong cryptography. By violating the law, you give them the chance to brand you "criminal," and ignore/encourage others to ignore what you have to say.
The Constitution and other laws are not magic talismans. It is fantasy thinking that technical compliance with the government's laws renders them "completely powerless." A Smith & Wesson beats four-of-a-kind.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here. Them being the laws or the government? Bob -- Bob Snyder N2KGO MIME, RIPEM mail accepted snyderra@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu finger for RIPEM public key When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.
C'punks, On Thu, 28 Apr 1994, Bob Snyder wrote quoting me:
. . . Wrong on both counts. Getting it out legally would be nice--it's a great *fallback* position--but that's not the object of the game. . .
Maybe of your game. My game is to get cryptography available to all, without violating the law. . . .
By violating the law, you give them the chance to brand you "criminal," and ignore/encourage others to ignore what you have to say.
Do you think your fastidious compliance with the law will keep them from branding you a criminal, anyway? Wake up. The whole purpose of wide-spread availability and use of strong crypto is to what "others" say or think, irrelevant. Strong crypto means never having to say you're sorry.
The Constitution and other laws are not magic talismans. It is fantasy thinking that technical compliance with the government's laws renders them "completely powerless." A Smith & Wesson beats four-of-a-kind.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here. Them being the laws or the government?
The "them" was that of the original writer (you?), which I took to mean the government. In the context of my statement, either will serve. The "Smith & Wesson" statement was offered as a (humorous?) analogy. In poker four-of-a-kind is a good hand only as long as everyone plays by the rules. When force enters the picture, the rules--as the president's shills would say--"are no longer operative." The essence of government is guns, not laws. Get it? S a n d y
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 02:24:39 -0400 From: snyderra@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Bob Snyder) At 12:21 PM 4/27/94 -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
The Constitution and other laws are not magic talismans. It is fantasy thinking that technical compliance with the government's laws renders them "completely powerless." A Smith & Wesson beats four-of-a-kind.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here. Them being the laws or the government? He's saying that power is granted to the government by the people. The Constitution is an agreement between the people and the government. As long as the government obeys the Constitution, the people will support it. That's why the executive branch (at very least) swears to uphold the Constitution. It's up to the people to ensure that the government comply with the Constitution. It's not the government's job to enforce the Constitution against itself, although, the Constitution is structured so as to present the three branches of government with a zero-sum game. The plan is that the easiest way a branch can get more power is to take it from another branch. That way, the government gets involved with fighting amongst itself for power rather than taking more from the people. You might enjoy Gene Sharp's three-book set entitled _The Politics of Nonviolent Action_. It goes into great depth on the source of governmental power over people. -russ <nelson@crynwr.com> ftp.msen.com:pub/vendor/crynwr/crynwr.wav Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | Quakers do it in the light Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do.
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