Re: democracy?! (Re: Terrorism is a NON-THREAT (fwd)
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:28:22 GMT From: Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk>
The real problem as I see it with democracy is that not only do your neighbours get to vote to have you locked up for something which is none of their business, and has no conceivable effect up on them; but they actually get to vote for you to be charged for the "service" of being locked up to protect you from yourself.
Exactly what kind of democracy are you speaking of? Sounds like you are lumping them all into one big bucket, a disservice to all involved in this discussion and a popular spin-doctor tactic. If so, please be so kind as to demonstrate how a representative, constitutional, and majority democracy are the same? And for the record, we have a constitutional representative democracy. Personaly, I figure you must be one of those folks with a cognitive disfunction. What part of "Congress shall make no law..." do you not understand?
The wild west was better than this state of affairs -- people didn't have the energy or inclination to waste their own resources being nosy parkers, and those that did were apt to wind up full of lead.
Boy, you history is simply fucked. If you seriosly think the west was like television you should spend more time reading books and period newspapers and less time looking at the boob-tube. At the height of the range wars there were only 9 murders associated with the conflict, not hundreds as the popular entertainment media and spin-doctor culture would have you believe. Get your fucking facts straight. Face off's at high-noon simply didn't happen and poeple didn't run around having gun fights all the time. I would suggest *strongly* that if nothing else you review the western history series by Time*Life, should be at your local library, and UT Press put out a book called "The Texas Rangers". I have both of them but unfortunately they are in my shop 30 miles away. A lookup at your local bookstore should get them if you are truly interested in how it was. "The Quick & The Dead" was a movie, not a historical documentary. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage@ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|
Jim Choate <ravage@ssz.com> writes:
Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk> wrote:
The real problem as I see it with democracy is that not only do your neighbours get to vote to have you locked up for something which is none of their business, and has no conceivable effect up on them; but they actually get to vote for you to be charged for the "service" of being locked up to protect you from yourself.
Exactly what kind of democracy are you speaking of? Sounds like you are lumping them all into one big bucket,
I figure it's a reasonable summary of a lot of democracies right now.
If so, please be so kind as to demonstrate how a representative, constitutional, and majority democracy are the same? And for the record, we have a constitutional representative democracy.
Didn't say they were "the same". But they do share a characteristic: distortions of free market in the form of voting for theft and redistribution of other peoples money leading to annoying government micro-management, and general do-gooder busy-body-ness, and the many laws on thought crimes.
Personaly, I figure you must be one of those folks with a cognitive disfunction. What part of "Congress shall make no law..." do you not understand?
I understand it, but US politicians either don't, or don't care and largely ignore the constitution. What does it matter whether I understand it or not? Your constitution says you can own and carry guns; your politicians and law enforcement increasingly say that you can not. Your response to my saying that is that _I_ don't understand the constitution?
The wild west was better than this state of affairs -- people didn't have the energy or inclination to waste their own resources being nosy parkers, and those that did were apt to wind up full of lead.
Boy, you history is simply fucked. If you seriosly think the west was like television you should spend more time reading books and period newspapers and less time looking at the boob-tube.
I don't own a TV, and so don't watch much (by choice -- it's mostly garbage); printed mass media is a bit better, but not that much.
At the height of the range wars there were only 9 murders associated with the conflict, not hundreds as the popular entertainment media and spin-doctor culture would have you believe. Get your fucking facts straight.
I know, that was my point; recall that I said the murder rate was low. The point was there were way less laws, and few were telling their neighbours what they could think.
Face off's at high-noon simply didn't happen and poeple didn't run around having gun fights all the time.
Right! Adam -- Now officially an EAR violation... Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`
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