Re: Fw: Re: Free Pronto Secure Offer
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: unicorn@schloss.li, cypherpunks@toad.com Date: Thu Aug 15 10:53:53 1996 On 14 Aug unicorn wrote:
"Do all the work I should be doing or have done in the first place discover the critical flaws in my new-keen-o-ka-jive-o crypto system and I will give you a free copy of a critically flawed crypto system (a $99.00 value) ABSOLUTELY FREE. Wait, don't order yet. Included you also get to> actually whitewash my fence and then mow my lawn. All at NO COST to you."
Unicorn, please try to take a minute to think before hitting that send key. You infer that a product is critically flawed without even trying it ? There are quite a few members of this list who are using Pronto Secure and will testify to the contrary. See http://www.commtouch.com/testers.htm for a list of people who take the trouble to try out a product before venturing an opinion. Agreed that feedback from external testers is a good deal for developers. It is also not a bad deal for evaluators, they get a free copy of a product which in the case of Pronto Secure many find useful (as witnessed by x-mailer headers on c'punk traffic). Testers also get an opportunity to contribute neat feature ideas which helps propagate secure messaging to the masses. Unicorn, you are invited to whitewash my fence :) - --------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Klein, Pronto Secure Product Manager; www.commtouch.com My PGP public Key 1814AD45 can be obtained by sending a message to geoff@commtouch.co.il with "Get PGP Key" as the subject. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMhLXlELv5OMYFK1FAQHoCQP/Tg13glNoTAq4OdHJ5tay+x67kpAg3eIn JwMG/spaV/R5z9iec2wE3BQNWbta2lGF2hZUwkyRNUPX/01024024rg4wp3dIrUQ gk5vl9hG7kbTIOzLKgyEKvQs8yBs+9A3KfE3HY47vm78qMVF0QE11PECMWubnfg6 be7yL9/U64M= =923l -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, geoff wrote:
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To: unicorn@schloss.li, cypherpunks@toad.com Date: Thu Aug 15 10:53:53 1996 On 14 Aug unicorn wrote:
"Do all the work I should be doing or have done in the first place discover the critical flaws in my new-keen-o-ka-jive-o crypto system and I will give you a free copy of a critically flawed crypto system (a $99.00 value) ABSOLUTELY FREE. Wait, don't order yet. Included you also get to> actually whitewash my fence and then mow my lawn. All at NO COST to you."
Unicorn, please try to take a minute to think before hitting that send key.
You infer that a product is critically flawed without even trying it ?
No, I was merely pointing out that if the review revealed that it had problems (one assumed that the intent of peer review is to reveal such problems in the first place, but perhaps you just like giving software away?) then the offered reward was valueless.
There are quite a few members of this list who are using Pronto Secure and will testify to the contrary.
A lot of people use DES on this list too I'll wager.
See http://www.commtouch.com/testers.htm for a list of people who take the trouble to try out a product before venturing an opinion.
I "tried out" your promotional scheme when I read your message, and it was that scheme which my opinion targeted.
Agreed that feedback from external testers is a good deal for developers. It is also not a bad deal for evaluators,
This is a subjective question.
they get a free copy of a product which in the case of Pronto Secure many find useful (as witnessed by x-mailer headers on c'punk traffic).
From your home page, I would guess that you request that reviewers allow you to make their comments public. That's called an endorsement, and, by
Cypherpunks is always getting the cash poor developer who thinks he very clever because he has to pay testers no money if he offers his new product free to the person who discovers a flaw, or writes a review. the way, people are usually paid for them. Sometimes in the millions. Think Michael Jordan is getting a deal when you use his name to promote your product and then give him a $99.00 piece of software (which is effectively worth the amount of time it takes to write a few kiss ass paragraphs on the software, not $99.00)?
Testers also get an opportunity to contribute neat feature ideas which helps propagate secure messaging to the masses.
Alturisim is a pipe dream.
Unicorn, you are invited to whitewash my fence :)
Do I have to review pronto secure first?
- --------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Klein, Pronto Secure Product Manager; www.commtouch.com My PGP public Key 1814AD45 can be obtained by sending a message to geoff@commtouch.co.il with "Get PGP Key" as the subject. - ----------------------------------------------------------------
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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Black Unicorn wrote:
you to make their comments public. That's called an endorsement, and, by the way, people are usually paid for them. Sometimes in the millions. Think Michael Jordan is getting a deal when you use his name to promote your product and then give him a $99.00 piece of software (which is effectively worth the amount of time it takes to write a few kiss ass paragraphs on the software, not $99.00)?
The time it takes M. Jordon to write a couple of paragraphs would be worth at least $99. Petro, Christopher C. petro@suba.com <prefered for any non-list stuff> snow@smoke.suba.com
On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, snow wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Black Unicorn wrote:
you to make their comments public. That's called an endorsement, and, by the way, people are usually paid for them. Sometimes in the millions. Think Michael Jordan is getting a deal when you use his name to promote your product and then give him a $99.00 piece of software (which is effectively worth the amount of time it takes to write a few kiss ass paragraphs on the software, not $99.00)?
The time it takes M. Jordon to write a couple of paragraphs would be worth at least $99.
If MJ wanted a copy he need only tell someone else to write the paragraphs and take the copy from that someone else. The point is that the "prize" is worth only that which it takes to obtain it. In this case, a bum could write a review (his time is worth nearly nothing in op. cost) and turn it over to whomever.
Petro, Christopher C. petro@suba.com <prefered for any non-list stuff> snow@smoke.suba.com
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