We had a run-in with Dorkslayers last night too :( The first time we brought out our sendmail update, we left it in it's "Virgin state" for approximately 6 hours for monitoring. During that period we "failed" a "relay test", and were blacklisted. As an RBL subscriber, I was appalled at the difference in attitudes between vix and dorkslayers. It is obvious after just a momentary look at the web site that they are out to "have some fun" antagonizing others. The RBL will mail a notice. These slimebags don't even care if you have had an illegal relay: all they care about is finding an *excuse* to put you on their list. Why is a group "dedicated to saving the InterNet" giving it's biggest prominence (in terms of W3 space) to hate mail recieved from people that D/S has intentionally wronged? This group is actually *hurting* the cause significantly. I was furious enough that I almost left the anti-relay out just to piss them off. The problem is, *that's what they really want*. Getting off is easy, just configure your networks they way *THEY* want them configured: your clients/customers/employees can all go to hell as far as Dorkslayers is concerned. VERY POOR. Perhaps a torrent of mail asking *THEM* to clean up their act would be a "push in the right direction"? J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org (Who will not doubt be back on their list by tomorrow for daring to bad mouth the all-mighty "Dorkslayers")