-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 An entity claiming to be Anonymous wrote: : : You mean Microsoft. It's foolish to reject encryption software because : it runs on the OS used by 90% of its customers. If the software is only available for Windoze, I think it's safe to say that 100% of it's users use Windoze. Nonetheless, open standards are a very good thing indeed. This message having reached you is proof of it. : > No source no security. : : You don't trust Schneier? You've seen the limitations of source code : release. Experts like Schneier and his team designing the crypto is : worth more than a bunch of know nothings scratching their heads and : wondering where to begin with 1000+ pages of source code. If the source were available, there would be no need to trust Schneier. I trust his expertise, but have no basis (or inclination) to make guesses about his character. No matter how many people refer to Applied Crypto as "a Bible", it's not the kind of book that encourages blind faith. Doc - -- [] Mark Rogaski "That which does not kill me [] wendigo@pobox.com only makes me stranger." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNF61PMHFI4kt/DQOEQK4WQCgqUi1AX4giMyzycavyaK6GclkN+8AnApT 3QJByal4x6k6lyMd6LNpKoFq =ymEt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Michael H. Warfield wrote:

Nooo... Actually, at the moment, we are just trusting their word. So far, we haven't heard a peep from Bruce. Maybe Bruce is working with them, and that's all well and good, but until such time that we hear so from Bruce in a way that we can authenticate, we are not even up to the point of trusting him as yet. We are still at the point of trusting whatever they are telling us.

Help!!! They are holding me hostage at syncrypt.com and using my name to promote their product. Please! Believe me! This is not just another unclever trick by that forging rat bastard from sk.sympatico.ca. Bruce

Uhhh.... Can anyone tell for sure what's up with Bruce... After getting this message and responding to it, I dropped a note over to Bruce's centerpane address... Bruce Schneier enscribed thusly:

Michael H. Warfield wrote:

...

Nooo... Actually, at the moment, we are just trusting their word. So far, we haven't heard a peep from Bruce. Maybe Bruce is working with them, and that's all well and good, but until such time that we hear so from Bruce in a way that we can authenticate, we are not even up to the point of trusting him as yet. We are still at the point of trusting whatever they are telling us.

Help!!! They are holding me hostage at syncrypt.com and using my name to promote their product.

Please! Believe me! This is not just another unclever trick by that forging rat bastard from sk.sympatico.ca.

Bruce

When I forwarded my message to Bruce's address at centerpane "just to be sure" here is what I got back...

From schneier@mixer.visi.com Tue Nov 4 23:46:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mixer.visi.com (schneier@mixer.visi.com [204.73.178.1]) by alcove.wittsend.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA05599 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:46:05 -0500 Received: (from schneier@localhost) by mixer.visi.com (8.8.6/8.7.5) id WAA05081 for mhw@alcove.wittsend.com; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:45:43 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:45:43 -0600 (CST) Posted-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:45:43 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711050445.WAA05081@mixer.visi.com> From: schneier@visi.com (via the vacation program) Subject: Schneier is missing; last seen headed for Beijing Status: RO

I will be away from my email until Saturday, 11/15. I won't be taking a computer with me, so I won't have any email access until I return. If you really need to get in touch with me, try leaving a voice message at 612 823 1098. And be patiend.

Information on Counterpane Systems consulting business, the corrected 5th printing of Applied Cryptography 2nd Edition, my new book (The Electronic Privacy Papers), my S/MIME exploit, the PasswordSafe program, and a lot of other things can be found on my webiste:

http://www.counterpane.com/

Thanks, Bruce

Ok... If he didn't take a computer with him then he just gave new meaning to sending a message from @dev.null... Yeah right. Got about a week and a half till he's back, according to this... Is it Bruce or is it Memorex... On the Internet... Who can tell? Mike -- Michael H. Warfield | (770) 985-6132 | mhw@WittsEnd.com (The Mad Wizard) | (770) 925-8248 | http://www.wittsend.com/mhw/ NIC whois: MHW9 | An optimist believes we live in the best of all PGP Key: 0xDF1DD471 | possible worlds. A pessimist is sure of it!