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nihilistic so much as they have come to the conclusion that to ignore and/or subvert government has higher probability of success than trying to reform it -- much to the demise of the Libertarian Party.

There is certainly little historical evidence to support such a thesis.

My thesis that this is a common sentiment? Who the @#%$ is talking about history, try looking around. No, I'm talking 1950's to present, and particularly 1990's and the internet-libertarian culture. I think this sentiment is historically unprecedented. The thesis that to ignore the nation-state will see it's demise? Well we really need a financial system that they don't control, which has been promised with financial cryptography but has yet to arrive. I don't think it's time to throw in the towel yet. Matt