Re: CFV: comp.org.cauce moderated -- support privacy and anonymity
For your information -- all anonymity advocates take note of the comp.org.cauce Call For Votes which wants to outlaw anonymity. The Call For Votes has been posted to news.groups, with a very lively discussion that followed. You may be amused to read it. igor In news.groups, phelix@vallnet.com <phelix@vallnet.com> wrote: * On 14 Oct 1997 11:57:07 -0400, moz@server2.mich.com (John C. Mozena) wrote: * * >In article <slrn646v9m.e2u.ichudov@manifold.algebra.com>, * >Igor Chudov @ home <ichudov@algebra.com> wrote: * > * >>We have exposed your arguments against munging as bogus. * > * >You have exposed nothing but your ability to be hateful. * > * >>But, what do you have against anonymity? * > * >Nothing. What right do you have, though, to force me and others to * >inconvenience ourselves so you can post anonymously or protect yourself * >from spam? * > * >>Vote AGAINST comp.org.cauce which wants to outlaw anonymity and * >>use of spamblocked addresses. Go to news.groups and find the * >>CFV for comp.org.cauce, with the ballot enclosed. * > * >Vote for comp.org.cauce, which protects the utility of a newsgroup and the * >freedom of postmasters to not run anonymous posting services should they * >not so desire. * * Well, I just started reading this, and I didn't really know which way to * vote. But such an anti-anonymnity stance makes the choice clear: * * vote *NO*. * * Thanks for clearing things up, John. * * -- Phelix * -- - Igor. The average American spends a total of six (6) months in prison.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
For your information -- all anonymity advocates take note of the comp.org.cauce Call For Votes which wants to outlaw anonymity.
Yes, I find it particularly interesting that the CFV states only that "The newsgroup is robomoderated to eliminate crossposts and advertisements only" but does not mention that the robomoderation requires a repliable (i.e., non-anonymous) e-mail address. (This IS mentioned for the voting procedure, but not for the group itself. Also, in <6203tu$kuj@server2.mich.com>, the proponent for comp.org.cauce states, "The CFV says people must return an e-mail sent to the address from which they make the post," which, as near as I can tell, is a lie or error; I got the ballot from my local server (<876781691.12806@isc.org>) and it says no such thing, only that it is robomoderated. "Robomoderated" does not imply that you "must return an e-mail sent to the address from which [you] make the post". Maybe it says that in the last RFD, but not in the CFV. At any rate, if for some reason this CFV is approved, I will post something to comp.org.cauce with the remailer, and when the reply comes back (yes, the return address is valid), I'll reply to it, so cracker will be able to post there, until somebody decides, using their "discretion", to ban posts from the remailer address. If it were comp.org.cauce.announce, I really wouldn't give a shit about what the moderation policy is, but it's represented as a group where "opinions contrary to those of CAUCE are solicited and welcomed," and I don't have too much confidence that this will be the case. Spam sucks but censorship is worse. Andy Dustman / Computational Center for Molecular Structure and Design / UGA To get my PGP public key, send me mail with subject "send file key". For the ultimate anti-spam procmail recipe, send me mail with subject "spam" "Encryption is too important to leave to the government." -- Bruce Schneier http://www.athens.net/~dustman mailto:andy@CCMSD.chem.uga.edu <}+++< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQEPAwUBNEUYFxOPBZTHLz8dAQE0OgfPTw5k5z9BfLUwVlORUW3dcgspkTsnB8xg MZLxH/7mxsOcTkS/yjggqwKloMf5FS5kHB7rQ3D2aWboagxvGDaEU72d33fDs/uE LyDT4+uHB4DVZibOcHXWGNY5QxC8Y2kPbzWpPE8PPrYQXbBpmxC2qYkO7wXtS0a4 zl9EnWai8xgE7GcRrHbOiqoxJ7LCEOUb1JuFJxloUOJ9ilWYaYs5CJ8ZW0itS4Fe MLmF9iJOK/j/nK9RIIXfIH0011v52XosFtWBajWvZygmEdEnTG9HhkRc4XFODTiy F8hoBlOiwnAOiSNOoCoxeLjhNe4L0TSHhU8G9Je4wlF1Pg== =lZxq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Thank you, Andy. I hope that the proposal in its current form will not pass if we vote against it. In that case, an unmoderated group will be created. igor Andy Dustman wrote:
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On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
For your information -- all anonymity advocates take note of the comp.org.cauce Call For Votes which wants to outlaw anonymity.
Yes, I find it particularly interesting that the CFV states only that "The newsgroup is robomoderated to eliminate crossposts and advertisements only" but does not mention that the robomoderation requires a repliable (i.e., non-anonymous) e-mail address. (This IS mentioned for the voting procedure, but not for the group itself.
Also, in <6203tu$kuj@server2.mich.com>, the proponent for comp.org.cauce states, "The CFV says people must return an e-mail sent to the address from which they make the post," which, as near as I can tell, is a lie or error; I got the ballot from my local server (<876781691.12806@isc.org>) and it says no such thing, only that it is robomoderated. "Robomoderated" does not imply that you "must return an e-mail sent to the address from which [you] make the post". Maybe it says that in the last RFD, but not in the CFV.
At any rate, if for some reason this CFV is approved, I will post something to comp.org.cauce with the remailer, and when the reply comes back (yes, the return address is valid), I'll reply to it, so cracker will be able to post there, until somebody decides, using their "discretion", to ban posts from the remailer address.
If it were comp.org.cauce.announce, I really wouldn't give a shit about what the moderation policy is, but it's represented as a group where "opinions contrary to those of CAUCE are solicited and welcomed," and I don't have too much confidence that this will be the case.
Spam sucks but censorship is worse.
Andy Dustman / Computational Center for Molecular Structure and Design / UGA To get my PGP public key, send me mail with subject "send file key". For the ultimate anti-spam procmail recipe, send me mail with subject "spam" "Encryption is too important to leave to the government." -- Bruce Schneier http://www.athens.net/~dustman mailto:andy@CCMSD.chem.uga.edu <}+++<
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