From: "Richard F. Dutcher" Do you assume privacy and protection from arbitrary power are solely libertarian concerns? If so, educate yourself and check out the ACLU and Amnesty International ... .................................................. You can check out each group, each organization, each institution, etc. one by one, and eventually arrive at the realization that it's a matter of principle. Anyone can make your life hell, even the "good guys" who are supposed to know better and whose talents are engaged supposedly for the support of great ideals. "Oh Liberty, what crimes have been committed in your name." .. Blanc