Tim May wrote:

At 10:22 PM -0800 5/4/97, Alan Olsen wrote:

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I really knew what specific actions caused people to have such a NASTY opinion of C2net.

This is an easy one. The only continuing insults I see come from Vulis. No further explanation is needed. (One wonders why Vulis does not simply program one of his insultbots to spew out a daily insult.)

Tim should try to keep in mind that his vision is limited due to his generous use of self-censorship. Were it not so, then he might be aware of more than a few people who regard StrangleHold's empire with suspicion. I suppose that Mr. May regards Tom Weinstein, of Nut$crape, as just another Vulis tenacle. Or perhaps Mr. Weinstein is in Tim's killfile. Of course, Tim lets us all know that once he has spoken from upon high, that there is nothing more to be said in the matter. Perhaps Tim could ask Vulis, a programmer, to send him an insultbot to compose his Vulissaults. Or perhaps he could take the time to scan all the list posts and get a realistic view of list opinions and attitudes before he speaks out. Or perhaps he could stop to think about how much criticism of C2Nut's products is blunted by their censorship of other lists and their gang of legal-eagle thugs. [Please note that "Blame it all on Vulis," a favorite cypherpunk game, is not sold in stores.]

But the C2Net flap is behind us. The continuing claims that it was C2Net which instructed Gilmore to remove Vulis are incorrect-

Once again, Tim speaks of things of which he has, by his own admission, little knowledge, since he claims to have only lightly perused a precious few of the articles from this time period. Both John and Sandy stated that it was Sandy SameerFart who approached John with the offer of moderation/censorship. Robert Hettinga belatedly proposed that it was he who suggested the idea to Sandy (about the same time that Bob was coming into some cash and reputation capital promoting C2Nut's pet projects). While I anxiously await most of Mr. May's posts with eager anticipation, I think it might be wise of him to consult the archives regarding those things which transpired during his absence from the list, before speaking out so strongly on the issues involved (particularly if he is going to give the impression that once he has spoken, there is nothing more to be said). FactMonger -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/ "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" http://bureau42.base.org/public/webworld "The Final Frontier" http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn/